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If they are so against two men sleeping in the same bed then why did they run a B and B in the first place, I fell that when you have a business like that then you should accept anyone whether be Straight, Gay, Christian, Muslim, etc.

out of touch, out of date and out of place. Disgusting behaviour.

This isn't even about a nation remaining "Christian." This is about simple intolerance. And those who practice such blatant disrespect towards anyone who is anything but a married Christian, shouldn't be allowed to publicly profit from those views.

Which bits of the bible should we follow ? stoning people for picking up sticks on a sunday, eating shellfish, or stoning our daughters to death if they turn out not to be virgins on their wedding nights ?

Jesus says quite clearly that the law of the old testament is not changed..

You're absolutely right with what you have done. Bible is very clear about the values of the relationship with a man and a woman and anything contrary to this is not christian, but an heresy.

Were these not the couple who were then victimised and bombarded with gay couples trying to book with them, bullying I call it, we are all expected to respect cultural beliefs but in the case of this couple their beliefs mean nothing in the modern society we live in.

so the hotel is run to the principles in the Bible? I hope they're not working on Sundays then. Oh and do they let in people who shave? Tsk.

What a load of.
If you provide a service in this country you can not discriminate against anyone.
You were not taken to court because you we're a Christian, but because you refused service to members of the public based on their sexuality.
The same would have happened had I refused to allow someone in a wheelchair into my pub.
Being gay is not illegal in this country but discrimination against them is.

What a brave lady

Stuff like this should be stamped out, if they are suggesting that gay men can't stay at their hotel, does that mean that they won't accept muslim, Jewish, seek, Hindu or Buddhist guests as well??? Do they believe that all of these people are going to hell and they are going to heaven? Live and let live, it is a natural part of humanity that someone loves another regardless of sex.

Will you also refuse people who wear mixed threads in their cloth? The Old Testament is NOT a Xtian document. The provenance and translations and editing and omissions of books in the bible. These were political considerations of how to construct a safe imperial religion. Most people who call themselves christians havent studied The History of their religion and how deeply and completely compromised

UK is not a Christian country anymore. It's multi-cultural. Our country is full of middle easterns and south asians...Look at London...Nuff said

I can understand the discriminating aspect, the argument and can understand the outcome being a gay male myself I would dislike to be faced with this but this woman has her own beliefs, her own faith and religion she lives her life on and I can't help but feel its unfair to disregard or ignore her faith when we allow other religions to govern this country.

I'm not fully aware of the storey but did the couple offer a full refund once they found out both partners were male?

its a shame that people like this are around this day and age, but what is even more disapointing is the fact u give them airtime...if me and my partner cant stay in their b&b, please dont give them the chance to come into our livingroom...

am surprised by the outright discriminatory view of these people, this could never be a matter of your faith - whosoever your God or creator is he loves you, no matter what. How sad to learn you are stuck in the mire of blinkered faith - that is not faith. I find it all so sad, you are more to be pitied than vilified.

People such as Christians who use the bible as their authority over the lives should be able to run their business with such principles and where such things as a gay couple using their premises as a place to sleep together goes clearly against such principles. This is religious freedom of living out in real life situations their faith. I do think that there should be some clear way of making their connection to Christian faith principles so that it lessens any conflict of values and exceptions of customer and provider.

People visit the Maldives and abide to Muslim laws, but Christanity in the uk is abused and ignored. If she is a Christian people should respect her beliefs and not stay there if they have an issue with it. At the end of the day the bible is clear about homosexuality and why people feel they can misinterpret or abuse the word of God illudes me. Fair play to the lady for having principles and standing by them.

They had every right to turn down the gay couple. It's their business, they can set whatever rules they like (obviously to a certain extent). There's plenty of other B and Bs that will accept gay couples, just go somewhere else.

Respect the beliefs of a Christian. Respect the right to be homosexual. It's as simple as that.

Very good film. Asks some important questions! Shouldn't people have the right to set their own rules in their own home?! Gods created order is important for Christians. Britain is Christian still, cause of its history and laws. Whether people realise it or not!

its all to do with the law and how people twist it to suit themselves by cryin racisism or predudice to get at the people who refuse them,some people still have old fashioned values which is not ok to have according to law any more,so in reality its not becomeing a free country any more,more like a dictatorship,our poor little country is slowly becoming overcrowded and so heavily multicultural like the countries like america and canada and laws will be laid down heavily to control every individuals standing and rights.

They are a business, they broke the law.
I would have no problem if it was their private house (but once you take money it's not private).
Is it really true that by setting themselves up as a limited company they can avoid the law against discrimination. If true I find it unbelievable and company law should be changed to block this loophole.

if I was running B&B I would not allow bigots to stay at my place either..

People are animals, bees have a queen, so do ants, wasps, monkeys, dogs, etc have a dominate one! Humans are no different! We are still animals hoping for a queen! Just because we have the option of asking when did this ''queen'' GOD'' come into effect, then when did bees or wasps follow a queen? its a animal need we need something to hope for! nothing more nothing less! humans are no more respected than all the other animals Noah left to drown as only 2 was taken!

I am Orthodox Christian. Orthodox Church is very High and have a very strict rules, very similar to Catholic. Also Orthodox religion would not accept gay/lesbian marriages, but God teach us to be kind, understanding, loving and tolerant to all people no matter what their race, background and sexual believes. God loves everyone. As a Christian I would not judge or discriminate anybody whether they are gay couple or else.
Are the Mr and Mrs Bull real Christians? Do they really believe in God?

If you are Christian don't you just have to pray / ask Jesus for ?

"John 14:14
King James Version
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

It seems to me that making TV programmes about what you want to happen in the world has to be both disrespectful towards your god (or at least 1/3 of it).

If your faith is so strong , try hacking off a limb and asking Jesus to grow it back for you whilst you are at it.

These are your crazy "laws" from your crazy immoral book ..

'Remain' a Christian nation? I would hope we stopped taking this medieval nonsense seriously some time ago. Let's not forget that Christianity is not, and never has been a tolerant religion - just look at the 10 commandments, the punishment for non-adherence is to be put to death in a rather grisly manner. "oh but that's the old testament" we hear the modern Christian cry. We only need refer to several points in the new testament, such as Matthew 5:18-19, to see that Jesus was clear that there is no room for ambiguity with the "word of god"!

Harry - it seems the moderators do not wish me to explain the logic that denies God exists...this is my 3rd attempt.

God needs a 1st cause - he does not have one. The universe does not - it has quantum physics - ergo God did not make the universe. FACT.

Harry - my 3 explanations are not being published - you will need to see my explanation elsewhere in the strands.

i understan their point of view
i do think that they should feel easie with themselves if they considered that no human is born perfect and that people who have a different way to the standard way of forming a relationship are simply another form of imperfction, we all have imperfections. Maybe they do too?

"I have no idea where it's coming from" About 6% of the population go to church on an average Sunday. This is essentially a post-Christian country, albeit with a significant amount of residual ceremonial and cultural Christian heritage. (It happens: we still have *pagan* gods in our days of the week!). The Christian church wishes it was more as it used to be, and sometimes appears to believe it still is.

I am also a Christian who believes that being a practising homosexual is a sin. I feel that Hazelmary is not a bigot at all and the gay guys should have respected her faith rather than taking legal action

Nice thing about Religion is you can go to Court lose a case, and still think you are in the right.

It is written in the Bible that it is wrong for a man to sleep with a man and a woman to sleep with a woman. It is also written that it is wrong for a son to sleep with his mother and a daughter to sleep with her father etc. These hotel proprieters are only following what is written in the bible. It has nothing to do with Homophobia. The church for example is a house that belongs to God. God is the master of the house - when you go to church you know the rules. If he says he does not like it - you abide by that. The church for example is a place for the joining of a man and woman not for a man and man or woman and woman nor son and mother or father and daughter. It also states that it is wrong for humans to have sex with animals. At the same time it is not for me or any of you reading this to condemn people for who they are - That is for God to Judge. What would happen if eventually it was declared that it is ok for a daughter to sleep with her father or a son with his mother or later ruled ok to have sex with animals or sex with children - there would be an outcry from one end of Britain to the other. Those rules were not written to make our lives a misery - they were written for a reason - and if you believe in God you have to respect his rules. They were only following his rules. As for stoning people and working on Sundays - this has nothing to do with this case. Incidentally the true sabbath is Friday into Saturday - not Sunday - It was man that changed this. You would be suprised what man has changed over the years. Jesus was not born on Xmas Day he was born in the Autumn - this was adopted as a pagan ceremony and is not part of the bible.

They were not taken to trial because of their Christian beliefs, they were taken to trial for unfairly discriminating against two people in the provision of goods and services. They can still believe what they like however when providing a service under the law they cannot discriminate. In other words no one has carte blanche to express their beliefs especially when it hurts others. You cannot stone to death someone no matter how much you believe the bible justifies it, you cannot sacrifice animals to your god. etc. Christians do not all believe the same thing, she talks about bible based principals but which ones, It doesn't seem like they care much about the ones that say love thy neighbour and do unto others. This seems to me like a case of picking and choosing from the bible bits that support existing prejudice.

Should Britain remain a Christian nation? Christ no!!!
We need to be more sensible in our approach to things and not let religion continue to blind us.
Mankind has been held back for centuries by the dogmatic craziness of religion, let's break free from our shackles and step further into the light, not regress further into the darkness.

Hazelmary Bull is being economical with the truth, unmarried heterosexual couples have given detailed statements that they have stayed at the Chymorvah Hotel unchallenged on their marital status, even signing in under their single names.
The Bible has nothing to say about homosexuality per se nor about homosexuals per se, this woman is abusing Christianity as an excuse and a cover to discriminate against homosexuals.
I am surprised this hotel is allowed to continue trading as from what Hazelmary says in this clip she would still refuse a gay couple a double room, her hotel still does not appear to be run according to regulations for service providers.
Do the Bulls simply ignore health and safety regulations as well as regulations about non-discrimination?
I'm sorry but the owners have demonstrated that they are not fit to run a B&B hotel, their business needs to be closed down.

Bible scriptures guide people that are Christians because they believe the scriptures are inspired by God 1 Timothy 3:16 in this case the new testament 1 Corinthians 6 was relevant. Gods laws and this countries laws conflicted therefore it was right for this case to go to court although the couple lost the case they upheld Gods principles therefore could have a clear conscious and accept the court decision. People who believe in God and understand the Bible are aware they are under a new covenant as stated by Jesus Luke 22:20, foretold in the Old Testament at Jer. 31:31, therefore would not follow the old testament in regard to stoning people, or sacrifice of animals etc.
England is moving towards becoming secular more than a Christian country based on research however 2011 found 44 per cent of people in one surveys identified themselves to some form religion and they are free also to believe what they want this is not a dictatorship country.

Classic example of why religion should be outlawed Nasty bigoted ideas in the name of a nasty little imaginary god found in a blood soaked little book of horror If I owned a B&B the last people I would want as guests would be Christians and wouldn't they whine at being persecuted.

I'm sorry Mr & Mrs Bull but in any moral and equal society you cannot discriminate against people in relation to core aspects of their being. To do so is bigotry which makes you. . . . a bigot.

Folks,

The term Bigot probably comes from the German "Bei Gott", "By God".

It's earliest use is reputed to be in France in a conversation between King Charles and the Norman Duke Rollo. Subsequently the French used the term Bigot as a derogatory term for the Normans. Later it was also used as a curse by Catholic Swiss fighting their Protestant Countrymen.

At some stage the term changed from a general insult to one applied to describe specific individuals.

The term Bigot is familiar and understood by English, French, Italian and German speakers.

King James Bible
"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

Whereas the Bulls casually interpret this as "Love thy neighbour only when it's convenient" yet they claim to be Christians and not anti-gay bigots.

Scripture at Corinthians and at Timothy is not condemning homosexuals nor homosexuality, it is condemning slave keepers who use and abuse boys and adult men who are kept as sex slaves and abused and used as prostitutes, cruelly both the abusive slave keepers and the slave victims of the sexual abuse are equally condemned.
However this is quite unrelated to consensual loving homosexual relationships as we know them today, it is wrong to interpret scripture from Corinthians or Timothy as condemning consenting homosexual relationships, rather it is condemning abusive sexual slavery.

The Greek word used by Paul arsenokoites- meaning male- bedder, a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity, homosexual as referred to at Corinthians and at Timothy. Obviously translation of the Bible will change to be politically correct today however the original meaning is correct and some people will say the word is ambiguous however many words have different meanings in different contexts.They are various different Bible I suggest people who disagree cross reference different ones and look at the Greek meaning of words...

Do these people also ask for proof that the two people renting a room are married? How do they know they are married? What if they are infact not married and are therefore also commiting a sin.
Perhaps they are married, but not to each other. Because if so then based on Hazelmary Bull's supposed 'Christian' pronicples we shall have to put them to death.
Its the only 'Christian' thing to do. Apparently.

Levictus, Chp20, Verse 10: If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

I've heard the claim that the reason why certain people are homophobic is due to it being demanded by the bible many times in the past, but this argument has always fallen flat when they are asked about their adherence to the rest of the rules. Not one hateful 'christian' who uses this excuse has given all that they have to the poor, nor do they treat their neighbour as they would want to be treated themselves. Britain and most other countries are becoming less religious because there is no quality control when it comes to religion. Instead anyone can claim to follow whichever parts of any belief system that suits them, so nice people have their actions protected and nasty people have their actions protected. Since the nice people almost never need that protection it is becoming increasingly obvious to people across the world that religion is too vulnerable to exploitation to be entrusted with power.

I find the Bulls Christian views to be silly, bigoted, outdated and just plain wrong.

...However saying that it is their business set for a targeted customer base. If, and I mean if, they are clear about their terms and conditions to any potential customers before any bookings are taken. In this case it doesn't really sound like that was the case. There are many institutions that will discriminate certain groups of people,like certain camps sites for adults only, or woman only sports clubs. But their entrance protocols have to be made clear.

Anyway.. I wonder what would have happened if the two men WERE married? Everyone is focusing on the fact that they were gay, but even if they were heterosexual and unmarried, wouldn't the same thing have happened?

Dear Hazelmary, I sincerely hope you do not serve breakfasts on Sunday mornings.
Exodus 31:14-15 (NLT)
"Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death."

I wonder if you allow Jews to stay at your B & B?
JESUS ON JEWS - Matthew 23:33 (NIV)
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

I agree with the Bulls, in making their stand for the teachings of the word of God; homosexuality in condemned in Romans 1 .Please read the chapter. I don't blame the judge he was carrying out the law, I blame parliament for voting for gay rights . it shows that those who govern this country are ignorant of biblical truth.
How can we expect God to bless our land when we oppose not just Christians but God himself, this was the down fall of Sodom and Gomorrah

Hazelmary: "We are able to carry on trading in every bit the same way as we did before because we have become a Limited Company, and the articles of our Company describe our hotel as being run on Bible-based principles and anyone who comes to stay there has to abide by those rules."

So much for the religious freedoms of the public who check-in as guests, Hazelmary will not tolerate any paying guests who do not conform to her interpretation of Bible principles and she has no problem marginalising people of other religions nor anyone who holds a different world view to her own, I think Hazelmary's requirement for guests to abide by Christian rules must be against the laws guaranteeing individuals freedom of religion and belief.

Short of those who manifest violent discriminatory behaviour, which I trust she has never, can it be possible to exhibit any more passive aggression or to be any more intolerant of other people's beliefs than Hazelmary Bull?

"Love thy neighbour as thyself" is one Bible-based principle the Chymorvah Hotel appears not to be run upon, such a pity because the Bible very clearly states "There is none other commandment greater"

Thank you Hazelmary for your and your husband's stance - which is the same that would be applied by Jewish and Islamic hoteliers in a similar position.

Forcing your faith onto others isn't religious freedom.
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others,” Jesus observed in the Book of Matthew. “Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”

I fully support your stand on this issue, it seems nowadays that wickedness is justfied and the just are condemned especially by this goverment. Proverbs 17v 15 . GOD bess you for the convictions of your faith

It is not a hard thing being a Christian. The greatest benefit is to have God by your side day after day and that He is your friend, looking after you. When we turn from Him we put ourselves in isolation from Him. A follower of Jesus Christ will only want to do what Jesus wants. Jesus Christ cleans us up and restores us after we have been following the enemy, that is the devil and given our lives to Jesus. So many are unaware that they are following the devil's manipulations and just carry on not giving a toss about their own lives and afterlife. The consequences are far worse for not following Him. Hazelmary is right in so far as she appreciates that this is what is going on. The moral decline in this country has resulted in much heartache where it could be so different. Hazelmary knows what grieves Jesus Christ and does not want to do that. She and her husband have every right to remain a pure establishment and guard their own beliefs. Aren't gay people doing just that? Why take it from Christians who choose an upright way of living according to the One they love. Gays too are being very intolerant of others and very disrespectful to their wishes.

So if someone, as they did in past times, say that its against their religion to allow mixed race couples into their hotel on Christian principles is that right? It can go to crazy proportions.

Why do you not print all replys?
I listened to this and read comments.My commemt is,
"Broad is the way that leads to distruction" and
"Narrow is the way that leads to eternal life"
Those of us with a brain should be able to work this out,
It is not as they say rocket science!!!!!!!! Margaret.