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It's about time someone gay and inspirational started speaking out about this. Of course Heather Peace would, because she is beyond amazing. She has a point. Gays and lesbian's will not go away and forget about this, and to have somebody from the gay community express their opinion in this way, and speak out for us, well that's something special.

Peace, love and out...
(see what I did there :P)

This woman is beautiful and speaks truly from the heart.

Massive love for Heather

What bugs me is this. God is against homosexuality, its in his word. So why do thy need to be married in his house ? God does not contradict or change so he will not bless this. I am for homosexual couples having human rights and they not be treated any other way just because of their sexual orientation. But as far as getting married and having children I really cannot condone it.

Marriage is an expression of love and commitment between two people, when will society focus on the love and not the gender? If it is wrong in the eyes of the church, then I fear the church is blind. Change will come and the rights of all, whatever preferences we may live by, will be equal.
If the 'thumbs up/down' voting is an expression of feeling about this issue and these selection of videos, then I am heartened to see the comparative depth of support.
It's time to listen, it's time to drop the fear and phobia, it's time to make things better.

Well said: people are people just as love is love, so why shouldn't 'anyone' be allowed to marry whoever and where ever.
Andrea

Love Heather Peace she is an inspiration to us lesbians, What an amazing talented woman, cheers to this powerful meassage Peace xx

It's their loss not yours

Yep, ex Catholic here as well and there are a lot of us for the same reason.
Human Rights also is a basic right for all of us, like to see them challenge that, thanks for the 4thought and speaking up..

I believed that god did not make bible but to the narrow mind of monks the unselfish distrurbtion pyschic mind from the faults of enegries ... however i believe that jesus god love everyone as his children no matter who we are to him. at least he was born from virgin from mother mary. really it is maybe based on guitly without marriage so they make up with the being of virgin . god is happy because it is shown as love couple without marriage who was having a very beautiful child jesus the healer. lesbian and gay are healing love. no angry . love is love. think postive abd love to love. jesus only like love and not bad enegries of hate. we love you heather peace and we love you god. we loves ourselves and i love you all. be happy of who you are.xxxx excuse me for my english. thank you for reading.x

The reason that churches/places do not allow same sex marriages is because these places exist because of God. God stated in the Bible and other scriptures that the homosexual/lesbian sexual act is wrong. Therefore by definition churches cannot “join two people together” that practice gay sex. God also told us to love everyone. Therefore all gay people should be welcomed to attend all Gods places of worship and gay people should be treated with respect.

Dear megamouth,
Can't stop laughing, thanks for making my day. I only hope the kspec37's of this world are listening and clever enough to understand.

I think this video highlights how much of a culture surrounds religious practice. If people ask me if I'm religious I say that I am "Culturally Methodist". What I mean by that is that my parents are both Methodists, and I went to church every sunday until I was about 14. This, therefore, had a big impact on my life and upbringing, which will never go away. I would not associate myself with another form of Christianity because that's not the way I was brought up, and the culture of Methodism (?) is how I see God and Christianity.

I think it's a shame that the church would not support it's members throughout their whole lives. If they have been Christened/Baptised then that means that there is a church community supporting that person throughout their lives. To not accept someone's partner seems contradictory to me in these cases.

I think it's a shame that the speaker feels like she has lost something.

The only thing that is a threat to society is the way that people like John Richardson think.

Why any same sex couples would want to marry under an institution that defies them is beyond me

The problem isn't that it is wrong it is that the gay community aren't supported by the Christian faith. Therefore, I say that if you disagree with what they say but still call yourself a Christian, why do you? If you think that some things in the bible say are ignorant, aren't you?

why are christians all the same, according to them god made man and gay people are born gay so according to there logic god made us gay, do you not think it is his way of popluation control ( this is one way of looking at it ) but what ever you think we have the same right to live and love as any one

"Proposition 8 serves no purpose, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California and to reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples. It is a violation of the civil rights of gay and lesbian people."
Stephen Reinhardt - US Ninth Circuit Appeals Judge. On the Campaign to make same sex marriage illegal in California.

I DONT PERSONALLY GIVE A TOSS WHETHER GAY FOLK WANT TO GET MARRIED, I PARTICULARLY COULDN'T CARE LESS IF THEY WANT TO DO SO IN SOME RELIGIOUS VENUE AND HAVE SUPERSTITIOUS MUMBO-JUMBO QUOTHED OVER THEM WHILST THEY DO IT, BUT, I WILL DEFEND WITH MY LAST MOVE ON EARTH THIER 'CIVIL RIGHT' TO DO SO. AND THAT IS A RIGHT THAT WILL ONLY BE TAKEN FROM MY "Cold Dead Hand" TO QUOTE ONE OF THE BIGOTS WHO WOULD TRY TO REMOVE THAT RIGHT. LIKE MOST OF THE BIGOTS WILL BE; HE HAS BEEN CONFINED TO IGNOBLE HISTORY, OR TO HIS HEAVEN OR HIS HELL, WHERE HE CAN ARGUE TO HIS HEARTS CONTENT WITH WHATEVER HEEBY-JEEBY HE BELIEVES IN.
F.S. LYNCH

Everyone has a right to have faith and to be accepted in that faith..
Surely marriage for same sex couples follows that same rite?
Any couple following faith are entitled to be married with in it, gay or otherwise!

being married in a church if you are homosexual i personally dont think there is anyhthing wrong with it, its the only place you can truely decalre your love for someone. and with people saying they dont 'condone' this well its just wrong, i think people need to start getting use to the same sex marrage! as "god" says everybody should be treated as an equal....

The priest john richardson who has just been on 4thought speaks as if its a disease that allow gay couples to marry will be the end of mankind as we now it, everyone will turn gay in 30 years and we must iradicate before its too late. What an out dated opinion.

Everyone has a right to have faith and to be accepted in that faith..
Surely marriage for same sex couples follows that same rite?
Any couple following faith are entitled to be married with in it, gay or otherwise!

No same sex couples should not be married in church. Whether u believe in God or in evolution human kind comes from a man and a woman . Gay couples should remain together in a civil partnership but not be blessed in a place of worship . The laws of nature far outweigh the desires or belief of gay couples. I am sick of being pressured and de-sensitised to their way of life. Live and let live but dont expect society to change because of your sexual preference

Megamouth well said, u r a legend!!! you have also made my day as i am sure many others!! too funny!! k

I used to be proud to call myself a catholic when I was younger but having falling in love with the same sex I have not been to church in years as I feel the fingers are being pointed. The priest and clergy manipulate and interpret the bible as they wish. Priest are the worst people to preach to others and hide behind "the cloth" and there religion.

What has being gay got to do with having multiple partners?!
I think that vicar is outrageous and that god would definetly be looking down on him with furry.
Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!
Since when can gay couples not have sex? Is he saying that couples that aren't able to have sex are not a lagitamate couple?

RE:John Richardson's film tonight.

What a load of homophobic twaddle. Is it any wonder the Church of England is dying when it has bigots like this at its helm. Its time society decided that just because you CHOOSE to follow a particular religion, it does not give you the right to dictate how society is or how people should live. I am sick to death of these bigots (and that is what they are, bigots) thinking that because they believe a certain ancient book about God, that gives them licence to be able to spread that bigotry around, not matter what the consequences.

It is time that we gave equality to ALL people and if someone's religion doesn't like that,then tough! The rest of us should not have to suffer because of it

okay i totally understand that this minister thinks what he thinks but that is an absolute disgrace what he said. Everyone in this modern day society deserves to have a chance to marry in a place of worship, even if they are homosexual. If the homosexual couple believes in god and belong to a church or any place of worship they should have the chance to marry there.

I believe you should be able to decide what you want to do in life, who to fall in love with and how you want to show this. I believe we are all equals and no mortal living or emortal spiritual person or being should tell us what is and is not acceptable. Why would you want to marry in a church or place of worship anyways because all they do is spout hatred to those who are Gay or Lesbian. My Mother and her wife married 6 years ago surronded by people who love them and support them. it wasnt in a church or place of worship and although im biased was one of the best weddings ive been to. They have been together now 17 years!! some married man and woman marriges fail within the first 6 months...

I completely agree! Preach it girl!

While I am not gay and I am over the "older generation" and not keen on the idea of same sex marriage at all, God is all forgiving and accepting; it is not up to us to condemn same sex marriages and we must let it exist and live and let live with those who wish to enter a same sex marriage.

I am not so certain anyone however, should be married in the House of God, God's church or chapel or cathedral or mosque or synagogue if they do not totally accept and love God. It is hypocrisy.

If two people have demonstrated their love of God and wish to marry in a House of God then I don't see why there is so much fuss being made about it.

Admittedly the context of the ceremony will be much different. But all things must change and we are only short term tenants of this world; everyone deserves to have the maximum joy they can have and/or give from the short time we are here.

I vehemently disapprove of any marriage in any House of God if those being married do not truly love God and accept Him in their lives as divine and are completely mindful of Him.

people should have the right to love and care for who thay like , it dosent mater if there two men or a womon , i dont get wy the bible ses that its not allowed for the gay to get married , dont lose your confidens x

I think gay people should not be married in the places of worship because they do not trus in God. God created you in the gender you were born for some reason- to get experience, to learn lesson,...Accept it as a challenge if you want. So if you can’t accept your gender- you do not trust in God. On other hand, as I noticed, in the same sex couples people are playing roles of opposite sexes! And this proves that marriages should be between opposite sexes-for the sake of natural development of life. If your choice is different-you have a right to nock another door, go for civil marriage. Just make your choices and accept the consequences (and the consequences reach far much more than only marriage.)

we as a nation, community and global race can all make different assumptions about what each god 'would think'about gay marriage in a place of worship. in christianity, they say gay marriage goes against the bible.. how long ago was the bible written? john richardson says that 30-40 years ago no one would have believed him that it would be allowed. but 30-40 years before that, people would not have believed that women were allowed to vote! as years go by and times change our opinion on what should be allowed or not has to change, to accomodate growth as a race, to allow progress to be made for the better.

I found this program to be totally offensive. In your comments however, quoting passages from the Bible doesn't assist any sort of intellignet discussion i.e. unless you can prove that this isn't a work of fiction written several hundred years after supposed events occurred. Anyway, enough comment on your comments and back to the show itself.

I have complained to Ofcom this morning and advise others to do the same.

My strong view should be that Mr. Richardson should face criminal charges, and that Channel 4 apologize for airing the program and is heavily fined.

I was outraged to see this show last night and consider it vilified gay people. The language used would not be tolerated in any other situation. The show was wholly biased, and I found the comments to be extremely offensive.

1/. Mr Richardson stated that gays could not have "biological sex", and he fails to distinguish the difference between biological sex and sex for procreation. He stated that marriage could only occur if couples could have biological sex which is not what UK law says.

2/. He then inflamed the argument by strongly inferring that if you allow gays to marry in churches, then horrors unthinkable today will be allowed in 30 years time. The clear implication is that it would pave the way for other activity such as incest, paedophilia, polygamy etc. This connection is highly offensive. This argument is used by right wing extremist to connect the dots that allowing gays to marriage leads to people marrying their pets, having free sex with children etc. Indeed, the vast majority of incest / interference with children is from straight men.

3/. I was then horrified with the statements connecting gays and sexually transmitted diseases, and all having multiple sex partners. Clearly straight people have multiple partners (Mr. Richardson should go out on a Friday or Saturday night), but the whole point of a marriage – gay or straight - is that the person settles down to 1 partner. The inference that gays were diseased people of lose morals, is totally offensive.

4/ He then stated that God will 1 day come & clean up this situation. The inference here is to incite people to assist this process, much in the same way that Muslims can become radicalized, and I found this rather threatening. What if there was a Christian on TV saying that God will come one day and clean up the Muslims? Or a Muslim on TV saying that everyone should be Muslim, and Allah will come one day and clean up Christians? His comments were aimed to incite people against gays.

Summary - This program was totally offensive in every respect and should never have been aired.

Please everyone, complain to Ofcom over this vile piece of television.

I think it's completely wrong to be denied getting married In a church because of your sexuality. God is against a lot of things, stealing from thy neighbour, murder's, criminals but if these people happen to be straight they can get married I'n the church of god?? I'm a lesbian and also a human being who had a child hood dream of a big White wedding In a church, have my dreams got to be shattered because I feel In love with a girl? It's a disgrace it's 2012 we should all be treated equally.

The bible also says that we should not cut our hair or wear clothes of two different materials, you cannot pick and choice what you follow, gay people should be allowed to be married in places of worship

I don't mind personally, but if it doesn't matter what its called, why are you making such a big deal about it? Why do you want to join something so meaningless?

What happened to everyone is equal? Im straight and I think anybody should be allowed to marry in a religious place and call it marriage because at the end of the day thats what it is.

Of course that gay couples should be able to just because your gay does not mean you dont believe in a god or gods just because your bisexual doesnt mean you dont believe in a god or gods and just because your of the LGBT community it does not mean you love your partner any less than a hetrosexual couple so wanting to show your love infront of your god should not be questioned

Of course gay people should be allowed to get married in churches! Gay people are just the same as straight. They have all the same body parts as us, they have the same body functions. So I think that if gay people weren't allowed to get married in a church, then theoretically, no one should be allowed. We are all equals gay or not..

that advert has enraged me so much. what the church believes in is what the church believes in. Im not disagreeing nor agreeing with it. But who are you to say you should be able to get married in their place of worship if you dont agree with that they stand for. Im honestly steaming with rage at that advert.

Marriage is between a man and a women so they can raise children in a family environment . Last time I checked People of the same sex can't have children.

I agree we should all be equal. If same sex couples want to marry they should be able to but not in the place of worship of a religion that doesn't agree with it. Why would they want to anyway? Church weddings should be for church goers.

I have no issue with wanting to call a same sex relationship a marriage but the claim that one must be allowed to have this ceremony in a church or religious building is ridiculous, you can’t force people to go against their beliefs. You’re attacking one freedom for the benefit of another. Call it whatever you like, civil partnership or marriage, I agree were all equal but in no way shape or form do I agree that the state should force people of religious dominations to accept something totally against their beliefs.

Okay - You of all people must know that there is nothing in scripture which says being gay is okay. There is nothing that says 'Hey, get married in a church in front of God and he will bless a same sex union.' Nothing in scripture that promotes and verifies your lifestyle. As a lapse Catholic, you know that the Catholic Church's view is based on scripture - not on something we should just 'Get over because it's 2012.'

It is not a matter of what we call it, or what the Right is, its the fact that everyone who is married, or in a civil partnerhsip are together, in love, the differance between marrgige and civil partnership is the bessing of God. Both are leagally bound, but a civil partnership doesnt recieve the blessing of god, becasue of the teaching of the catholic church.
what the people call it, shouldnt matter, it should be the recognition that the two people whoever they are are joined, because of love between them.
Lewis Moore, age 17.

I definitely agree gay and lesbian people should be allowed to marry in a church or place of worship, and also be able to call it a marriage. Its got nothing to do with religion or political things, its between two people that love each other and want to commit to each other and that is a beautiful thing. We are all human and should all have equal rights and be treat the same. So well done to Heather Peace for speaking up!

well said heather peace, i am in a long term lesbian relationship and i am engaged to my partner. I would love to have a MARRIAGEbut to be told that god is unaccepting of this is absurd! In as far as i understand GOD loves us all and as such i am sure that he would prefer that my partner and i are in love and happy and willing to show faith than to consign us to hell for being gay?

amazing!!!! <3ed every word!!!!! xxx

These 3 Abrahamic religions justify this bigotry on the grounds of the 'laws' in Leviticus. However, none of them [or very few]follow any of the other absurd laws in this book of nonsense. Pure and simply this is hypocrisy. Marriages have been conducted in all cultures for millennia before the introduction of these 3 religions.

All people in this country deserve the right to marriage or for civil partnerships, whichever they choose.

Love is divine and no just limited to a select few. Everyone has the right to love and to be loved. It is only those who do not understand or see something as a threat that judge. Religious institutions needs to move with the people and the times, instead of dictating high moral values that are not been proven as God's own word. But interpreted by those who have a lot to gain as the truth. I'm sure the real message of God has been lost in translation over the years and manipulated in all religios to suit those in power. Which I'd not wat religion is about, religion is a belief that every man and woman has a right to practise without judgment or persecution. The true evil is that religion is divided to cause conflict because if we all respected each other then we would find a World Peace. But a World Peace means that someone else will not be making any money off religion being divided.

I definitely agree that gay couples should be able to get married. Two people of the same sex having a "civil partnership" is categorising those people, it's not allowing them to be like every other human being. Why can't homosexuals have what heterosexuals have? It's like a very watered down version of the treatment of blacks in the 1920's, maybe it's not to the same extreme, but indeed the same principle. Blacks couldn't use the same water fountains as whites, gays can't have the same marriage as straights? We are all the same and we all deserve to have the same treatment. Homosexuals are not subhuman.
It's high time the Catholic Church became more up to date with modern society. For example, they don't allow gay people to have sex because they believe one cannot have sex before marriage, and a civil partnership is not "technically" marriage. As Heather says, a gay catholic would feel like they're being pushed out of their own religion. Two people (no matter what gender they are) should be able to show their love for each other through sex, it's a beautiful thing for two people to have. Gay people should be able to get married, and be equal to the rest of the human race.

I share heathers opinion, for me, marriage is not necessarily a religious ceremony, it's about being recognised that you are in a committed relationship with your significant other, someone that you love and want to share a recognised partnership with. For me, it's about being recognised that I have committed to share my life with another person, that is a pretty big commitment and it should be recognised in society and in the eyes of the law. I have heard awful stories from older friends about the death of their same sex partner and their home was snatched away from them as they had no legal right because they weren't recognised as a couple, and the people that got the stolen home was the family of the deceased partner, often families that disowned them for being homosexual in the first place. For this reason and many others, I have no desire to get married in a church, I want to be recognised as being in a committed relationship the person that I love, and for the laws that apply to my heterosexual friends, apply to me.

any form of same sex relationship should be illegal, never mind any kind of legal commitment, but only gay approving comments are being allowed so dont expect to see this

It's high time for Religions to evolve the same way as the Society evolves. On many levels, the Catholic religion is so wrong in my opinion. Not giving Gay people the same treatment as the straight people is one of them! I've been told that God is love, therefore everyone,straight or gay, should be entitled to embrace the Catholics precepts, including the right to get married in a church. Getting married is not only a matter of procreation between a man and a woman, as the Judaeo-christian instruction we have been given for centuries wants us to believe in! what about commitment, loving, caring, sharing out...? love is love and whether we are straight or gay, we are all experiencing the same things. Having faith has nothing to do with sexual orientations! being gay doesn't mean being less believer! Church should be opened to everyone who believes in God. The end!
Brilliant Heather's speech. She always speaks with all of her heart!..God should be ashamed to make her feel apart !

I think it's about time gay and lesbian people started our own religion! We can have our own churches, and get MARRIED in them!

I totally agree with Heather. Not to allow gay couples to celebrate their love for each other in church is a demonstration of prejudice.

I got corrected the other day when I said I'm gonna marry
My girlfriend they said "u can't get proper married can ya"
N it really pissed me off :( xx

Got corrected the other day when I said I'm
Gonna marry my girlfriend. They said "u can't
Get proper married can ya cause your a
Lesbian" I felt so hurt n it really pissed me off.
Happy Heather's making a bit point about it
She's amazing :) xx

How I wish people could just be judged upon the type of person they are rather than being judged upon who they are - in relation to who and/or what they find attractive.

People who sit in judgement of others for being gay, bi etc, usually in my experience, haven't actually come into contact with any gay people.

Why can't people be male/female, gay/straight and ALSO follow a particular religion??! It's the 21st Century and we are supposed to be a civilised society!

I accept that it is an individual's prerogative to not be accepting of homosexuality but equally gay people shouldn't be made to feel like 2nd rate citizens... What about cases where straight people choose to marry in a church when they aren't particularly religious?? I don't hear much opposition to this... So it's absurd to deny religious gay couples the right to marry in a church.

People are people first and foremost... A person's sexuality is their business and their business alone.

There is no way on this EARTH that gay people should be allowed to marry in the house of god it is in the bible and rules are rules and meant to be abided by if you break the rules then you might as well let people in the country without passports or allow people to steal rules are rules and are there to stuck by don't you dare think you can change the rules just because you think that its your right, if they can,t even ban the burka then there is no way this country is changing the laws of the bible GET OVER YOURSELF.

Couldn't agree more. Great when someone says what she truly believes in instead of people saying what they think they should believe.

Well said Heather.It's time we're no longer treated like 2nd class citizens. It WILL happen, it's just a matter of WHEN now.

Heather Peace, such an inspiration and speaking the truth of her feelings. Every word that she spoke here is true and genuine to her and all of us. Your a star Heather. Sending Love xx

Heather, Marriage includes raising children in a family environment. They have the right to know both a loving father and loving mother not just one parent or two mothers or fathers however loving. Same sex marriage is second best for the chidren and so should not be marriage at all.

I don't think God as such is against homosexuality. The religious beliefs man has created in relation to God are against homosexuality. I don't see why a homosexual would want to get married in a house of worship. It would be like a Catholic couple insisting they be married in a Mosque. My point, both have totally different beliefs -(Homosexuals believe homosexuality is right, some religions believe it is wrong). Why should a homosexual be able to force their beliefs on a group of people in their House but not the other way round? I find it a massive double standard and against the rights of those that follow religion.