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There is no place for Sharia Courts in a secular nation, apart from anything else all religious books are written by men, which makes anyone following them as law to be a mindless idiot.

As Nahla summarized it "Sharia law has no place in Britain and it should have no place anywhere else"
I don't what it can offer Britain apart from execution, flogging people or stoning them for making love, chopping hands and feet, and oppression of women.

sharia law if applied correctly as prescibed would cure all the diseases of this once great nation ! crime spiralling out of control also reaching new levels where children and elderly are commonly victims of sick sexual behaviors,family breakdown most children dont know their grandads never mind fathers,alcoholic binge drinking 5th biggest killer,drug addictions mental illness effecting one in four sexual diseases women refuced to sex objects or work horses thus not having children or getting strangers bring up your new borns elderly abandoned in nursing( prisons)homes all for illusion of freedom every minute is controlled by bills money work clock .we may paper over cracks and try to hold it together but it is all due to collapse very soon with out the manual from the manufacturer we will not work correctly

Nahla
I am Sudanese a woman who lived and was brought up in the west before coming to sudan.

I can understand you not wanting Sharia law in Britain it would not work it needs a 100% muslim nation and even that wouldn't work today simply because Sharia law as we know today is not sharia law.

However I find your argument shallow

I am Sudanese and proud of it!

I have never been treated in Sudan as a second class citizen. No Sudanese ever has not even because of his gender
As you are aware Sudan is rule more by traditions than Islam
we are allowed the same opportunities as men in society.
You may be confusing female circumcision as an islamic practise, it is NOT! It is actually pharaonic and anti islamic

Nahla may be it was your own family who was a bit over conservative- you cannot blame that on a country. The average Sudanese family are not radicals or fanatics!

Like many We muslim studied in a Catholic schools in Sudan
I did not take religion classes even I am from a Muslim family that is well known.
I drive my mum and grandmother do too!
We travel alone, we are all educated
My grandma writes poetry, she worked with men had her business
We are the average Sudani family living within a normal Sudani culture and practises.
Regarding sharia please pin point where in Sharia does it say that we are second. If it is about the inherence law that is a benefit - I keep my share and my surviving family brother or husband have to provide for me!

Woman work in sudan drive party! Please don't confuse the political islam ir Al Basheer's gov with Sharia.

Comparing islam with other religions the convent they shave and cover their hair .. As a Muslim I keep my hair and cover it which I believe is less drastic!

I may wear conservative clothes in public so what's the problem? I still see many Indians keeping their tradition saris in London!

With regards different penalties prescribed by Shariah (stealing , murder etc) they arenot in order to inflict harm on people and make them suffer, rather the Shariah concept for imposing penalties for the various crimes is that they prevent harm, da deterrent to destruction and anarchy in the society. They are not prescribed in order to harm people, but the contrary.
For eg in theft - the cutting of hands needs certain conditions must be met including the motive cost over 4.5 grams of gold etc
In adultery 4 witness to actually witness the act of penetration which is impossible.

Islam is based on the principles guiding all religions the 10 commandments

I find your argument rather shallow and self centred maybe you are strengthening your case for asylum!

The issue of women in Islam, is topic of great misunderstanding and distortion due partly to a lack of understanding, but also partly due to misbehavior of some Muslims which has been taken to represent the teachings of Islam. We speak here about what Islam teaches, and that is that standard according to which Muslims are to be judged. As such, my basis and source is the Quran--the words of Allah, and the sayings of the Prophet, his deeds and his confirmation. Islamic laws are derived from these sources. To facilitate our discussion we can discuss the position of women from a spiritual, economic, social, and political standpoint.

From the spiritual aspect, there are seven points to remember:

According to the Quran, men and women have the same spirit, there is no superiority in the spiritual sense between men and women. [Noble Quran 4:1, 7:189, 42:11]

The Quran makes it clear that all human beings (and the phraseology doesn't apply to men or women alone, but to both) have what you might call a human; He

"breathed some of My spirit into divine touch. When God created him"(or her in this sense). [Noble Quran 15:29 See also 32:9]

Some of His spirit here means not in the incarnational sense, but the pure, innate spiritual nature that God has endowed her or him with.

The Quran indicates again that one of the most honored positions of human, is that God created the human, and as I referred to Surah 17 earlier, it means both sexes, as His trustee and representative on earth. There are many references in the Quran that reaffirm this.

Nowhere in the Quran do we find any trace of any notion of blaming Eve for the first mistake or for eating from the forbidden tree. Nowhere, even though the Quran speaks about Adam, Eve, and the forbidden tree, but in a totally different spirit. The story is narrated in 7:19-27, and it speaks about both of them doing this, both of them are told that both of them disobeyed, both of them discovered the consequences of their disobedience, both of them seek repentance and both of them are forgiven. Nowhere in the Quran does it say woman is to be blamed for the fall of man. Furthermore, when the Quran speaks about the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, nowhere does it connect it with the concept of original sin, because there is no concept of original sin in Islam. The suffering is presented not as a reason to remind woman of the fall of man, but as a reason to adore and love woman or the mother. In the Quran, especially 31:14, 46:15, it makes it quite clear God has commanded upon mankind to be kind to parents and mentions,

"His mother bore him in difficulty or suffering upon suffering." [Noble Quran 31:14, 46:15]

The Quran makes it clear again to remove any notion of superiority and I refer you again to 49:13. I must caution you that there are some mistaken translations, but if you go to the original Arabic, there is no question of gender being involved.

In terms of moral, spiritual duties, acts of worship, the requirements of men and women are the same, except in some cases when women have certain concessions because of their feminine nature, or their health or the health of their babies.

The Quran explicitly, in more than one verse, 3:195, 4:124, specified that whoever does good deeds, and is a believer and then specifies "male or female" God will give them an abundant reward.
In the area of economic rights, we have to remember that in Europe until the 19th century, women did not have the right to own their own property. When they were married, either it would transfer to the husband or she would not be able to dispense of it without permission of her husband. In Britain, perhaps the first country to give women some property rights, laws were passed in the 1860's known as "Married Women Property Act." More than 1300 years earlier, that right was clearly established in Islamic law.

I'm really sorry for the way you were brought up and the things you had to suffer as you were growing up but your experience is more of a personal one pertaining more to the values and customs of your family. I lived all my life in Sudan and I never experienced those things. I come from a large and well known family that, even though it is a religious family, never tried to impose anything on me or others. I am free to go wherever I want, drive my own car, travel alone, have multiple bank accounts and properties, have an opinion that matters in all family discussions, i'm asked for advise both by males and females in my social circle and dress however I like. Of course I also have duties and chores but that's because I live in a society/family and not in a cave. It's totally normal for everybody to have chores/ responsibilities in a community, otherwise it will disintegrate. Even in rural areas in Sudan, females have always played a prominent role and whenever a woman spoke, men listened. Also, i went to a Christian school and never felt any different from the Coptics, Christians, Buddists, Sikhs and Atheists with whom I studied and I certainly never heard anything about Jews being monkies or pigs. I'm not saying it's Utopia. Like any other society, ours has it's pros and cons but they all stem from tradition and not Islam. There's hardly a Muslim country whose Islamic attitude is not tainted by culture and that's the problem. If we ptoperly applied the Islamic rules, our countries would've been a million light years more advanced than the West. What's happening in Sudan is that we're governed by tyrants who are using Islam as an excuse, a mean to an end and, in the process, totally tarnishing Islam's image and giving it a bad name. As for those punishments that you spoke of, if you do some proper research, you'll find that they're applied in certain conditions. Those conditions are hard to realise except in extreme cases and even when they do, it is up to the person in power (i.e.: the judge) whether to pass that judgement or give a lesser one. So those rules are there more as a deterrant than an actual punishment. So all those things you mentioned, you should blame your family for them and not Islam. As for Sharia laws being enforced any place the world, please first read and properly understand those laws before issuing such a drastic statement as you seemed to have based your decision to renounce Islam on very shallow and superficial issues.

this remind me of the somalian Dutch story it is like a guinea pig not a pig nor from guinea The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law seems unavoidable in the UK. If you want to condemn sharia law in this case you have to got a notion of it ... part of sharia law the capital punishment my question is this kind of law still applied in both 1st and 3rd crazy world of ours answer yes so where is the kind of developing fully trasparent human rights nation - the situation is same weather you applied using sword or cormfatable injection or electric chair green miles type at the end it is a death penalty so if you contesting that sharia law are harsh will be same to others that means at least condemn this unhuman laws in every aspect.

Roman two (ii) they said if you live in Rome do what the Roman do I will say do not. we living in British culture we not born here we don't have the right to speak on their behalf we are trying to integrate but not in every single aspect of it the British are not religious but still living in christian culture they celebrate christmas etc. it is a multi cultural society they respect all believes.

Nahla is very right - in moslem countries woman is mentally retarded - women count as half witness (while man is considered as one)- non-moslems cannot be witnesses - if murder happens infront of 50 non-moslems their witness is not accepted - Why do islamic law countries have the worst human rights record? Where are the rights of non-moslems in sharia law? When a 50 year old man is allowed to marry 9year old girl' where is the right of this girl? Wake up those who do not know what happened to us Christians who had to leave our homeland Egypt because of Islamic fatwas. Egypt was invaded by islamists who forced their religion on others, otherwise burn their homes and churches. Moslems who come to live in UK should answer why did they leave sharia law abiding countries and put up with laws against their religion. Enjoy islamic laws in islamic countries and leave others to enjoy freedom of speech and religion.

Nahla , I join my fellow Sudanese women to say that we have always been treated as Kandakas ( queens). I am a doctor in the NHS & cannot wait to finnish my postgraduate degree to go back home & help the poor & ill but kind people. I cannot be more proud of my home country & my religion . I have been pampered by my dad, brother, uncles & now by my beloved husband . Try to understand Islam ... Forget our corrupt government's interpretation of Sharia .

I give you one advice may be never finding any one again to telling you that , if there is one building falls down you will say all engineers bad or just who is applied, sam thing for Islam believe me you will never find the truth out of Islam asking you read more and your hard will guide you to find happiness in the life and death .

The very trouth

Islam is not Muslims, there is a big deference between Islam , Muslims behaviors and the implementation of Islamic concepts.
Every one Judge Islam because of the women witness, Hejab and some other issues reflect small part of Ebadat in Islam.
Every one, please, before you talk about anything you have to study it in details and to know why Alha Sobhan Wa Taala said this and after that you can criticize.
Dear Nahla, Islam is not Omer Elbhashir and not the Sudanese Government, you have to differentiate between them. Islam gives you all the freedom to think, study, and compare between Islam and the other religions and sciences, but you have to do it honestly ,neutrally and without any previous opinion.

I would like to say that the drastic statement cast by Nahla M. is totally null and void and it reflects the life and opinion of her own as well as she needs to read much more about teachings of Islam its law &rules,because Islam is not simply summarized in these superficial words but its cover all aspets of life

u obviacly dont know anything about islam or u have been treated by igronance people who dont fully understand sharia!! ethier ways your opinion wont change a nation as big as Muhammed's nation.

what answer would shria & islam Supporters provide, if I ask them to give me one single example where implementation of sharia law throughout history had produce secure peaceful community

I do Agree with her but am not questioning my Islam in her way but i really want to understand why people did not give them self time to think or even to look deep in any kind of issues related to human rights ? this why Nahla and others like me questioning their religion and also themselves

mikinzy

I'm also a Sudanese woman who's been living in uk for years,as i found it as the best placeto live for me or generally for discriminated people,NAHLA is absolutely right and honest on everything what she said,Sudan women could have been treated worst than second class if there was no medias everywhere or an organization called human rights harassing them on this earth,i have been taught also about woman are less incomplete creature which is really annoying and funny thing,this's ignorance.the so-called,and the strange enough is sharia law doesn't apply on rich or powerful people in Muslim counties,but applies only on poor and vulnerable .Sudan was slightly better before Omar albashir's regim, but it got worst after he came on power.and i'm sure no single woman would stay in Sudan if there was easy way to leave the country or if women were allowed to travel with their own.i had seen many time in my childhood,brothers or husband kill their wives or sister by beating them for simple reason,later on the police arrest the accuser and release them after few days,because they think if a woman get killed is not a big deal,but if a man get killed by someone the investigation goes very well,which is one of the most unfair phenomenon.by the way i'm no longer muslim as well

Sudan is NOT an Islamic state. Common misconception that Muslim-majority country are 'Islamic' or they rule by the Shariah.

The last Islamic state was the Ottoman Empire the was disbanded on the 3rd of March, 1924. I mean when I hear things like that, I don't know how to take the person seriously.

The shariah is huge and very deep, people give a shallow meaning. if you are truthful, do the research yourself. Under the TRUE sharia from the 7th century to the 19/20th century, ALL citizens were given free food, gas, electricty etc etc. The streets were widened for the pedestrians, there was literally times when people had everything that there would be abundant amounts of gold left in the reserve UNTOUCHED because nobody needed it becuase there was ZERO POVERTY. Please research these issues.