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I think it's shocking that in an environment in today's world when we should be promoting and teaching equality and understanding that something can be shown on TV discussing homosexuality as being wrong!! Since when does something being a minority issue make it wrong? This man needs to think about what modern Christianity means!!

I think it's outrageous that homophobic rhetoric like this can be allowed on television - before 8pm in fact! Impressional young people all over the country are watching this - some of them (quite a lot actually, if you work it out) are gay. Do you have any idea how damaging this can be for them, and the messages it gives their peers - after do much work has been done to address this kind of prejudice?

This makes me feel angry.

These kind of views are abhorrent and promote segregation, mistrust and hatred. The speaker clearly has no idea of what he speaks of as the facts he asserts to support his narrow viewpoint are totally incorrect. Thankfully we still live in a reasonably socially progressive country and views like the speakers are not the norm.

This makes me feel angry and sad. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

While everyone has a right to their own opinions, when it restricts others human rights (as this thought did) it becomes negative and unhelpful to Britain's society. Lets go forwards rather than back!!! From my personal experience youths do not have sex due to embarrassing sex ed lessons and never consider an abortion as an easy way out - give youths the respect they deserve!

This makes me feel angry and sad.

It never fails to upset me that people with bigoted, unrealistic and potentially dangerous views such as these hold influential positions in our society. I hold out hope that reason, warmth and understanding of human nature prevails in general society.

This makes me feel angry.

I disagree, and in such times having the choice over sexuality in both physical and mental health, being happy with oneself is paramount. Religion does not hold any bars, we are beyond such times! As such the stigmatization should be taken away from 13 upwards!

This makes me feel angry.

Every time someone from the religious community discusses relationships they castigate homosexuals. If you truly believe in family values then you would believe in relationships that support and nurture the members whatever private and personal practices undertaken. Instead of preaching that certain relationships are wrong why not discuss caring and love however it is practised.

It reinforced what I already believed.

The Bible is what you based your belifs on ok well that if I dont believe in theres a God, I am not keen on it beign shoved down my thorat. I wonder what sort of message it would send to a young person who identifies as gay going through that tough period of coming out. He stated a small proportion of society is gay that is evident and however being a minority and underdog is something the gay community is very aware of and we learnt to live with it and and moving on I wish the other part of society would wake up and smell the coffee and realise that the are not the tea. I am a proud gay man and still think that young people who identifies as being gay should be taught the basic thing.

What a bigot. As a woman of West Indian descent, who has had experience of sexual abuse, I know all too well what happens when people are DIScouraged from speaking about sexuality. Abusers continue to abuse as children are brought up to think that speaking of that abuse will expose them as 'unpure' 'ungodly' beings. Discussions around sexuality, liberate young people from that potential abuse; it was only through speaking to my mother about my experiences that we were able to prevent future abuses.

As a gay woman, I am angered that people like him are privileged to speak as if he IS the community. The fact is, there will be people in his congregation who are having experiences and dealing with the fact that they might be sexual 'minorities'. He should find it in his 'Christian' heart to show respect for these people and not denounce them on television.

What a bigot. This rhetoric holds people back.

I think that it's wrong to suggest that schools should only be teaching the Christian values of sex education. Firstly, there are a large number of people in the UK who are not Christian, and I personally find it insulting that Pastor Okusi thinks that his religious views should be forced onto everyone. Secondly, I disagree that these values have stood us "in good stead". What about all of the women in the last century who have been forced to hide away in shame after having a child outside marriage, or who were forced into having an abortion rather than bring shame on a family?

It's about time that we face the fact that young people will have sex whatever they are taught - the least we can do is teach them how to be safe. If fact, by making sex a taboo subject it actually becomes something that teenagers want even more. I think that we should follow the example of countries like Holland - their teenage pregnancy rates are much lower, and they have a very thorough and upfront sex education programme.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

Pastor Clement is so offensive!! Firstly there is no evidence to support his 'theory' that lack of sex education equals less teenage pregnancy. Secondly, how dare he say that being gay or lesbian is not normal!! It might not be 'normal' to Clement, but it is if you happen to be homosexual! I am a lesbian, this is how I was born, how God made me. How would Clement feel if I told him it was 'not normal to be straight' just because it is not normal for me?! And thirdly, as a Christian, he should learn to be a bit less judgemental. Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone!

I believe we should be teaching our children the consequenses of what can happen by having unprotected sex a lot of teenagers think that the only thing they have to worry about is falling pregnant, my first experience resulting in me falling pregnant at the age of 17 years old, I was married 13 years and at the age of 33 I got divorced and thought I must take my birth control pill, never knew anything about sexually tranmitted diseases as we where never taught about any of these things when I was at school. I was involved with somebody at the age of 33 for a few months and suddenly became very ill with flu like symtoms , was given antibiotics, after 2 weeks I went for a second opinion and was asked to admit myself into hospital for further tests, It turned out I had meningitis and Enchaepalitis which turned out to be my sero conversion. I went into a coma and eventually as a last resort did an H.I.V test which came back positive. To cut a long story short the guy I was involved with who proclaimed to love me had known for 5 years and infected me delibertley and never told me and found out later there where others he had infected. I took him to to the High court in South Africa and won my case but who would have known how this would have changed my life! only because I was naive and not educated! So I would like to see all area's of sexual eduacation covered at our schools. We need to raise awareness!

REgards
Jacqui Venter

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

This made me verry angry listerning to this, it goes back to problem of "Pushing religeon onto people" it is a personal choice to follow religeon and should not be pushed onto others, the comments on schools teaching studens about how homosexuality is normal was just insulting no matter how you look at it. Yes schools should promote marrige and loyalty but not in the ways that were suggested in this short video.

This makes me feel sad. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I feel sad that there are such bigoted people in this world. this came across as fairly ignorant as well. like school education is going to make any impact on a child's development when they are exposed to such things at home that no child should be exposed to? also, suggesting that we are a christian country is also an ignorant statement since the country seems mostly secular these days, plus a large variety of other faiths in our society. children are brought up by parents. not the school system. the child's values and beliefs are instilled primarily by the parents. a child's likelihood to practice safe sex or abstinence or any other attitude towards sex will be primarily due to the parents and the school can only facilitate knowledge, rather than ignorance. lastly, the bigoted comment about homosexuals, even using a STATISTIC as ammunition against education, this is sickening. homosexuals have been part of the human condition throughout history and is also present in many animals. also, if we are to rely on statistics then he ought to know that 12.5 percent of british people are not white. 2.2 percent identified as black. some surveys have suggested the gay population is around 6 percent, so if as this guy suggests, we are to consider homosexuality as wrong, then we ought to consider black people as wrong? of course, I am not bigoted so I will not stand by this kind of thinking.

This makes me feel angry.

what utter rubbish, im gay and i have every right to love and marry my partner of 4 years, people need to be taught that its fine to love whoever you want. i don't want to have abuse hurled at me while i hold hands with someone i love. knowledge is the key. this guy is soo unbelievably wrong, they say 1/10 people are gay 10% of the population shouldn't be ignored and victimised because school aren't teaching something that isn't a choice for us.

being gay is not a choice its who we are, get over it dude

In my experience it is education that responds to social trends. I would like to see the data supporting a direct, causal, correlation between education (as the cause) and increased promiscuity. And let's just be clear here - our youngsters *are* promiscuous so it is our duty to inform them of the choices they may face instead of pointing the creaking finger of disapproval. Our youngsters are going to shape the future no matter how much some self-interested, lingering, ossified, misguided, outdated and immoral institutions deny it. Say NO to religious morals in school and say yes to a liberal and liberating education.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

Granted there is a problem with sex education in schools, but abstinence and celibacy aren't the way in which to teach the students, having recently left secondary school, I know that the sex education programme needs to be revamped, the teachers are too shy to successfully educate the pupils, and they are merely left to be educated through playground gossip. As for the view on homosexuality, who is he to determine what is normal? a civilisation older than the bible felt that homosexuality was the hightest point of sexuality. If anything, it isn't normal that in today's society in which we openly accept homosexuality that there are those who still feel the need to discriminate in such a way

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I don't care how people live their lives, they can believe what they want and they can do what they want. As long as they don't force it upon me. Everyone should be allowed to make their own choices in life, and this not only forces a religious opinion on me, but at the end of the day would be teaching people to be intolerant of certain lifestyles. It promotes hate. Why would we ever want hate promoted in our schools, it's bad enough as it is.

This makes me feel sad. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I am very very saddened that as a Pastor you are preaching about exclusion of mionorities instead off inclusion. The amount of people that meet the even yoke as stated in the bible is minimal and the only way to reduce STIs and teenage precnacy is through educatuion before our children start to experiment. Unfortunately too many people use religion as a big stick against the Gay community which is morally wrong and totaly against the bible. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you comes to mind. You can not force religion down childrens throats as they will rebel and you have that many different cultures within our schools the system would not be able to cope with all views. The only way forward is that the Government need to address the issue in schools and if need be offer an opt out clause to those parents who do not want their children to be thought about all types of relationship (sex, marriage and children).

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Young people are developing physically earlier and no matter how you feel about it, many of them are going to have sex. It is our duty as (supposedly) older and wiser people to ensure that they have all the information we can give them. We also have to accept that, for many different reasons, some parents cannot discuss sexual matters with their children. It is therefore vitally important that sex education (and the dangers of loosing control though alcohol/drugs/situation etc.) is properly and fully taught at school.

I was appalled that a bigoted and inaccurate set of opinions about sexual education and teaching which refers to homosexuality was aired this evening under the guise of a faith based article. The opinions offered were deeply offensive, go against current medical and educational thinking and were also derogatory to homosexual people living in the UK. No counter view was profferred and the program had the feeling of a right wing propagana peice. I'm devastated that this was allowed to air without any balancing view put forward.

This makes me feel angry.

i was outraged, to hear a pastor who is supposed to be open to all and loving everyone as if they were his neighbour, saying homosexuality is wrong. it isnt his job to push his view upon others, and as to his belief that education children to sex if the very reason it happens is rediculous. i am just dissapointed that this was broadcast to be perfectly honest, before 9pm is not the place for controvesy about other peoples choices.

This makes me feel angry and sad.

I deeply disagree with the Pastor's view that homosexuality is unnatural. Presenting such an outdated and homophobic view is deeply offensive and potentially damaging to many young gay and lesbian children/teens/etc whom have just been degraded.

The pastor is also incorrect to assert that statistically rare phenomena are unnatural as there are many real world events which are perfectly natural but nonetheless unlikely. The previous posters (Smith & Rowlands) express this admirably. The sentiment expressed in the clip arguably demonstrates a lack of thought in this regard; education is the key to combating this ignorance.

With regards to sex eduation we should move towards a more liberal approach focusing less on guilt and more on tolerance, safer sex and the richness of variety of modern families.

This makes me feel glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

It reinforced what I already believed.

and knew. Pastor Clement Okusi is right. The moral climate of Christianity towards sex does have stability in relationships. If you don't think so, study Christianity because there is so much error in ideas about Christianity dancing around in people's heads.

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I totally agree with pastor Okusi's statement. Every other opinion is accepted today except for the bible truths. The bible remains the same irrespective of the changing times. Sex outside marriage is wrong and as a result throughout the centuries, there has been dire consequences for stepping outside of the boundaries of marriage as ordained by God. As Christians we are expected to love the person but not the idea of homosexuality as God started creation with a man and a woman not a man and man or a woman and a woman.

This makes me feel glad.

Well done Pastor Clement, for speaking the truth in Love and for standing for what is right, 2 + 2 = 4, this is always going to be absolute truth regardless of whether it makes other people happy or not. just because something "feels" does not mean it is good for you.

This makes me feel angry.

Historic views. Preaching homophobia.
I sincerely hope you Didn't show this on national TV.

This makes me feel happy. It reinforced what I already believed.

Well done from me too! We have to stand up for our Christian values. Let the sodomites call us bigots if they want. We shouldn't be teaching that homosexuality is ok because it goes against God's laws. Indeed, even if this practice was being sold to society under the Sale of Goods Act (a mere human law), it could be returned to its seller as not being fit for purpose. Homosexuality goes against God's laws of nature..the laws of natural design and purpose for which men and women have been created. God is pro-life, He is life producing, and has charged to human race with that same responsibility of creating life. In the same way God is against murder..the killing of another human..God is also against that which thwarts the reproduction of the human species, because anything else is destructive, and therefore tantamount to the same sin!

This makes me feel glad.

Pastor Clement's comments is based on what's happening in this day and age (that we insist on being the modern day) as a result of ignoring or turning away from good old fashion morals being promoted not just by Christianity but other faiths as well. Although he doesn't agree on homosexuality based on biblical teachings, he only commented that IT SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED AS NORMAL. So, those of you who "attacked" him to justify your opinions/way of life should read his comments again. Don't express anger to justify yourselves.

Broadly speaking, I agree with what the Pastor is saying.But I would add the following comment.

If sex education were to be taught on Christistian principles I believe that we should not be teaching that homosexuality isnot an unforgiveable sin. Surely it is hiding the homosexuual practices is in Christian terms worse than admitting them Therefore where homosexually practices are admitted is is important to while it goes against God's plan it is not an unforgiveabe wrongdoing and freedom from such wrongdoing can be found through Jesus.
Emphais in my opinion should be placed on what the bible has to say about selfishness and pride as opposed to simply focusing on what The Bible saysabout homosexuality.
I believe that it is not for us to judge what is right or wrong for others as only God/Jesus has the right to do this. I also believe that sex education should teach about abstinance from sex both before marriage and with third parties when married. I also strongly belivethat social empeducation should ephasise abstaiance from drugs gambling tobbacco and drug use simply as a way of seeking pleasure.

At last plain speaking common sense.Well done Pastor Clements!A pity successive governments do not listen.

It reinforced what I already believed.

I agree with Pastor Clement Okusi. I worry about what my grandchildren are learning in school about sex education. They should be taught about sexual transmitted deseases with having different partners and not show homosexuality as being normal.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

You don't even know how much this annoyed me. I don't usually write in to these things, but this is disgraceful. His views are so outdated and prejudiced and downright wrong. If you look at states in the US which teach abstinence only versus those who teach comprehensive sex ed, abstinence only is way less effective. By all means, teach it alongside, but teenagers will have sex before marriage. So why not equip them with the tools to stay safe?
As for the homosexuality comment, I agree with Peter, so won't copy his points.

I am HIGHLY against teaching his narrow-minded "Christian views" in schools. In primary school, we had to sing Christian songs and it was so uncomfortable,as an Atheist. I know plenty other kids felt uncomfortable too, even the Christian ones. Why can you not just be inclusive- teach without attaching a religion to it.

This makes me feel sad.

It's very sad. Knowledge is power and children need to be properly educated about their sexuality and feelings. We have a far higher rate of teenage pregnancy than countries like the Netherlands because we are so mealy mouthed and leave our children far more vulnerable to predators. His pontifications have never completely worked within society. However, I was very disturbed about his statements about homosexuality. The 'tiny minority' that he refers to constitutes around 10% of the population and the consequences of his prejudices are a tragedy for both individuals and society.

This makes me feel happy. It helped me understand the speaker's point of view.

I certainly agree with the speakers comments. Homosexuality according to a recent gallup poll is practised by 1% of the population. Yet we are being inundated with Homosexual propaganda. I dont beleive people are born homosexual or that it is genetic, if it was then two identical twins would both be homosexual! also evolution (which i disagree with) teaches that the first man HAD to evolve alongside the first woman in order to procreate! so philosophically, theologically & atheistically speaking Homosexuality does not fit into the order of life. anyway the great thing about Britain is that people are allowed to express their views in a calm rational and thought provoking way. God bless Britain :-)

Well done on speaking up Pastor! Wise words indeed. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is an "abomination to the Lord", also a warning that if left to our sinful nature we shall become no better than the "beasts of the field"

I agree with the speaker entirely, I don't think he's views are outdated at all. I mean children can be taught the dangers and consequences of premarital sex and to abstain from it. I believe this will aid in the reduction of the spreading of sexually transmitted diseases.
I don't believe that God made anyone to be homosexual ,its something that they have chosen. everyone is always saying 'that everyone is entitled to their own opinion'. So let him express his opinion, every individual has to make their own decision whether to accept or to ignore it.

This man pretty much epitomises why churches are emptying. Sad, but not uncommon, that some people from minorities in society feel the need to find a smaller one to pick on. Sad, sad man.

Clarification I meant we should be teaching that homonsexuality is not an unforgivable sin.

Also the reason wy only God/Jesus has the right to judge what is or is not right for individuals is becase He knows all those all of us.
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTIION!

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

In a country where the Christian population make up less than 50% of the overall population, how is it fair or right that this is the form of sex education that should be taught in schools? Fair enough, keep this kind of education to single faith schools if that is how they want to operate. But to suggest that this should be rolled out to all schools who have kids of all kinds of faith or no faith at all is crazy.

This makes me feel happy. It helped me understand the speaker's point of view.

That's right! Pastor certainly outlined what needed to be said and I am of the same opinion. I mean think about it if children are educated with the right morals regarding the issue of sex we would certainly have less abortions (which I higly disagree with because birth starts from the time of fertilisation) and teenage pregancies. I am happy that we have people like Pastor Clement that take a stand and tell truth to what is right.

This makes me feel very glad.

I am very glad, that someone has the boldness to speak the truth. Homosexaully is a sin that violets the very laws of nature. Two homesexual can not and will not be able to reproduce and fill the earth and this was Gods command to Adam and Eve - God said to the Men and Woman be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it (Gen 1:28). ADAM+ADAM or EVE+EVE = Mens extinction. Schools must teach sex according to the guidelines set by God himself after all he created sex.

This makes me feel happy. It reinforced what I already believed.

I agree with pastor clements comments and the fact that teengage pregenancy and STI was NOT common when britain was a christian nation shows that we should be gong back to old fasion ways and not trying to update things if the old way worked why are we trying to change it.Secularism is destroying our country and we need to put God back in our schools,colleges,universities,communities and government.

This makes me feel angry.

Sex education for children has been an unmitigated disaster for young people in Britain. Teenage pregnancies, abortion and STDs are rife. In the days before this so-called education children grew up at their own pace and were not confused by the politically correct admonition that homosexuality is normal. If it were there would be more than 1% in the population. Sex education in its present form is child abuse and the sooner it is either dramatically altered to convey a balanced christian approach the better for all.

This makes me feel glad.

I really love to share my sincere opinion concerning this issue.The students should be taught about zip-up/total abstain from sex before marriage and how to socialized very well among their male counterpart.this will ensure morals,sexually transmited diseases and always learn the good aspect of one another.Although total abstaintism might be difficult for some.In this case,those ones should know how to keep to one boyfriend with the use of condom.I don't believe in homosexualism.This is a practise of a beast according to the word of God.The Lord Almighty does not support it.
In any case their are some family that practise this.The Children from this kind of family should be allowed to make their choice latter in life.The real marriage in the bible is between matured Man and woman not boys and girls/man and man.This will really make matured man and woman to know how mutual love is in marriage with God.

Well done Pastor Clement Okusi for saying what so many of us believe and know to be the truth even if the vocal minority think and say otherwise. Children should be allowed to enjoy their childhood and not have sex education and homosexuality taught as the norm. And if Christian values were truly taught in schools instead of nominal 'worship' then perhaps we could get back to children being valued and not sexualised all the time.
Well done for speaking out.

This makes me feel glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

Great presentation and well communicated.

It reinforced what I already believed.

Pastor Clement is a LEGEND!!! Someone with common sense finally gets a platform to speak, does so with truth and without dilution...

This is the most blinkered view one could possibly have in the 21st century... Just as two teenagers are being jailed for a homophobic attack in London, and homophobic cases in court has almost doubled in since 2005/06 (600) to 1,013(2008/09). It saddens me to hear that people still believe that ignorance is still a solution, not to mention to use religion in such a 'narrow minded' way as an excuse for inequality - to hear that "because homossexuals are a minority group it is a perfect reason to erase them" sounds like a very predujiced view... where is our sense of equality? - shall we banish the teaching of all minority behaviours from school then? Where would we stop? Banish the teaching of minority cultures too? We forget we live in a world that has all the problems it has because we keep pushing a 'norm' - when the 'norm' only belongs to those in power!

This makes me feel glad and happy.

I agree with the Pastor, we must develop children of virtue and high morality. sexual promiscuity today is rampant, enough of this.

Oh, lummy! Dear TONY (whose comments are below), these are your words from your comment - "In the days before this so-called education children grew up at their own pace and were not confused by the politically correct admonition that homosexuality is normal. If it were there would be more than 1% in the population". TONY, less than 2% of the world's population has ginger hair. Therefore, and absolutely without question according to your criterion, people with ginger hair are not "normal". Interesting take, TONY... well thought through.
It's strange (and depressing), also, that some of those who comment should link homosexuality with the sexualisation of children. Almost 100% of the (pretty extreme)sexual imagery to which children are exposed is heterosexual imagery. One only has to think of TV commercials film, music videos.
I wonder, if I had said on 4thought.tv that Jews/Moslems/Christians (all in the minority in Britain) are not normal and that Judaism/Islam/Christianity shouldn't be represented positively in schools, would it have reached our screens? If homosexuality is a "choice" (I disagree, but HYPOTHETICALLY, if it WERE...), then surely, being a Jew, Christian, Moslem is also a choice, inasmuch as you physically COULD opt out (were it not for the threat of punishment in some communities. And people DO opt out, and go on to survive)..there are many examples I can think of. In the meantime... ginger folk, LOOK OUT! Clement Okusi and TONY have your minority status AND the blessing of their version of God on their side. God bless you all (except minorities).

I think people have the right to express their views and am glad Pastor Clement Okusi had the forum to do this, but this did make me feel angry. we all know the UK has a high level of teen pregnancy and this is something that needs to be addressed but deciding to take the in my opinion "Christian view" and just sweep it under the carpet and that everyone should be perfect and not having sex is a very naive ideal. It is very important that we protect young and vulnerable people and show them how to protect themselves. This means that even if we disagree with what there are doing we still promote safe sex. as for the second issue of homosexuality I believe it is the duty of parents, society and school to educate children and young people of other believes and life styles and to build a society that is not quick to judge something which we do not understand ourselves. Being gay is not a choice and making anyone feel less of a person in anyone because of the person they are is wrong. Educating people about homosexuality does not change straight people gay just as much as you can't turn and gay person straight but helps to show people how to support each other and how to respect people different to them. It also helps to minimise the damage that a young person may feel coming to terms with their sexuality. Phil

This makes me feel happy and very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

Well done Pastor! I agree completely on what you said. We need real deciples to stand and speak about the truth because if we dont, then who will. How will they know unless someone goes and tells them? ;) Im behind Pastor clement and his point of view. Bless, Andrew :)

Religion is largely to blame for the huge spread of Aids in many parts of the world. The refusal to accept that there will always be people that have sex outside of religious ideals, combined with the refusal to teach safe sex and promote the use of condoms, has had devastating effects. Do you want this country to follow suit?

This makes me feel angry.

How can religion help in any way towards the prevention of STI's ,teen pregnancies and abortion , the main reason that the rate of STI infected young people has gone up in this country is because more people are being checked out than ever before,the second issue raised , teen pregnancies has become an issue naturally in the last 50 or so years the ammount of teen pregnancies has slowly risen and we cant stop that if we want to try then we should teach teens about contreception and abortion not tell them that they are evil or unpure because of what they have done which is no diffrent from a 20 or 30 yeat old couple becoming pregnant.

CJ Smith I respect your view but for me belief in both the The Bible and evolution is impossible as they directly comtrdict each other. When signed a covenant on becoming a member of my church one of the thingss i signed I signed up wasin that covenant t related to a belief that the contents of The Bible are God inspired and are the the only contitution of the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice. Now as this covenant was signed in front the congregation as well as our Church Leader and her right hand woman (if you like, the lead lay minister), for me to suddenly say I believe in evoloution which is a man-made scheme would be the biggest no-noin the book. Even more so since I celebrated my enrolment by giving testimony via a poem which I myself wrote, for the most part. I strongly believe that I have too much to loose both in this life and beyond it and beyond it to believe in such ideas as evolution. and before anyone asks my church has female leaders at all levels from local ministry to divisional (regional) level to national to internatinal level: Zones( Continents), Territories(Nations) Commands smaller operatinal areas where operations are manngedseperately from officers (ministers.)

This makes me feel angry and sad. It reinforced what I already believed.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

i, and i would hope any rational human would agree with me, find the views expressed by pastor Okusi to be offensive and draconian to the n'th degree. the very idea that someone with such views could rise to a level of social influence is stunning and disgusting in equal measure. i suppose the good Pastor would also have use teach creationism in science and the grate floods in history.

This makes me feel angry and sad.

I am a teenager myself and i just watched Pastor Clement Okusi's video and i was disgusted by the fact he thought everyone should have to follow the christian belief about sex and marriage. I can't believe how ignorant he was to think just because he believes in no sex before marriage everyone else should. I am also very angry about his homophobic views. There is nothing wrong with being gay, in fact it's natural.

In summary, it's the opinions of those who believe the bible is God's word and should be followed to the letter against those who dismiss this idea. There is never any real discussion in these cases (not being helped by moderation being too slow to have an active exchange of ideas). While everybody has the right to have their religion, it frightens me how people ignore scientific facts when the findings contradict what was written thousands of years ago by tribal people with little understanding of the world surrounding them. An in my opinion excellent critical look at the origins of the bible is http://creationofgod.net/. I hope that after reading that at least some will start to question aspects of your their beliefs and refine your opinions.

I am glad that someone is standing up to represent the traditional Christian view, of celebacy before marriage and faithfulness within it. This does not mean we judge or accuse other choices (also many of us make mistakes when young). Observation tells me that traditional families are more likely to have a stable and positive lifestyle and this has a knock on effect to the whole of society.

Peter, I find to your view that just becasue poeple have a modearte view of faith which runs contrary to what science you judge them as too slow to have an active discussion insulting. I can see the merits of of science in some areas but in other ares science benefits some societies more than other.I believe that the discoveries that benefit both societies as a whole whether rich poor or in between as opposed to sections of societies in mainly in wealthier countries areif stewarded in a responsible and fair manner by those who discover them, the businesses and governments wether rich or otherwise, are truely a blessing from God. Having said all that, do not need science to prove to me the truths of The Bible and a neither as I said before am I abandon what I have and will in the have in future for something which to me is inferior to God path for me. in Short, In God/In Christ Alone and by faith alone!

Clarification

Peter I meant ...neither am I going to abndonwhat have hespecially in the last few years, I have now and what will have for some which is inferior to God's path.i'n'm not saying i'm perfect we all fall short of god's expectations. My final statement here is

Sola Scriptura by Scripture alone
Sola fide by faith alone
sola gratia by grace alone
Solus Christus Christ Alone
Soli Deo gloria to God glory alone
Salvation comes i.e. I am saved.It God'indwellig in us hr Jesus and by faith based on scripture alone. Or that my interpretation anyway,

It seems someone is frantically clicking the thumbs-up button for proponents of Pastor Clement. That is a bit said (fraudulent, really).

AMEN!! We need to see more of that kind of word spread in the media more often. More truth, less deception. Thank you for an awesome clip tonight :)

This makes me feel encouraged. It reinforced what I already believed.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

Why do you think that this kind of material is ok? This just spreads hatred and fear. You wouldn't put something on television that said that disabled people were not normal or that black people were not normal so why do you think that it is ok to do this to gay people. It is not ok.

People who promote abstinence as the only form of contraception, suggest that homosexuality is wrong and assume their religion is paramount shouldn't even be let out out in public. Yeah take away access to free contraception and advise on sex THAT will lower STI's and pregnancy amongst teens.

Mmm... if you read this Mr. Okusi: There was a woman called Rosa Parks. She was part of a "minority" about whom little positive was said in schools. Her persecutors didn't perceive her as "normal". They also believed they had God's approval. If you truly believe in the God "The Bible", and believe its text to be gospel, then you will know that God will do a fine job of judging by himself and certainly doesn't need your help (neither do we on earth) in deciding who is "normal". This would leave you with more time for that oft-overlooked Christian principle of loving thy neighbour.

Peter Sorry. I do hope nothing I have previouly said offfended you. I did not realise you were homomsexual. Why didn't you make claer in your original comment that you referring to the pace of moderation of the responses by the website moderators? I would also so add tha am still learning more about the Bible as I was not brought up with it. I'm sure that if Jesus come back would wish for all of us to be happy in our relationships even if the do go against what Gods plan.

This makes me feel very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

This makes me feel angry.

This shows why religion should have no place in schools. This kind of homophobic nonsense angers me. The idea that as homosexuals are a minority means they're not normal, beggars belief. If Pastor Okusi cannot see the irony in his words, I cannot see how he can be taken seriously. Abstinence only is a ludicrous pipe dream. Teenagers will always be obsessed and intrigued by sex, and the better educated they are the safer they will be. Simply saying 'Don't do that' is never the best course of action with teenagers, as most parents will attest.

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all. I am shocked that the pastor was given the broadcast time to state his religious beliefs and opinions as facts. They are not. Homosexuality is not a 'myth' as he states. . Young people should be educated as to the facts in sex education classes, and no religion should be involved in that education in the class room. Whilst I respect his right to his religious beliefs, he should not manifest these by attacking gay and lesbian people. Religious beliefs and the sexual orientation of UK citizens are both protected from discrimination and from being treated less favorably by the Equalities Act 2010. Where is his respect for this law - or does he think it does not apply to him? I approve of argument, debate and welcome others points of view, but never when they irrationally attack and demean others, as I feel the pastor did here.

(4thought.tv I am absolutely NOT suggesting that the Pastor or anyone else in these posts shares these views.)
A timely reminder of why gay rights are important and the dangers of a too literal reading of the bible. "There has been a lot of crime, it may not be because he is gay. We want the government to hang people who promote homosexuality, not for the public to attack them. We said they should be hanged, not stoned or attacked." This is what the editor of Ugandan newspaper Rolling Stone said about the murder of David Kato. The newspaper had previously printed his (and others) photos, names and addresses under the headline 'Hang Them'. Ugandan clergy were shown on tv promoting similar violence. The country is highly religious with Anglicans and Catholics about 50/50 throughout 85% of the population.

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all. I am shocked that the pastor was given the broadcast time to state his religious beliefs and opinions as facts. They are not. Homosexuality is not a 'myth' as he states. . Young people should be educated as to the facts in sex education classes, and no religion should be involved in that education in the class room. Whilst I respect his right to his religious beliefs, he should not manifest these by attacking gay and lesbian people. Religious beliefs and the sexual orientation of UK citizens are both protected from discrimination and from being treated less favorably by the Equalities Act 2010. Where is his respect for this law - or does he think it does not apply to him? I approve of argument, debate and welcome others points of view, but never when they irrationally attack and demean others, as I feel the pastor did here.

Is someone going to tell Okusi that the word is "monogaMous" and not "monogaNous"? Bless!!!!!!!!!!!

This makes me feel encouraged.

Exceellent, Pastor. What a better place if every one believed this and practiced it. The NHS would have more moeny to spend on patients whose illness has not been brought on, or caused by, impure life-styles. Keep up the good work, Sir, I salute you

David I find your Suggestion that I should have more faith in my felllow man highly offfensive.If I do this instead of having faith in God/Jesus I am spiritually dead and nothing would be worse as this means that I would by following man and his worldly ways I will have turned away from God and will be eternally separated from God. Doing the opposite means that I can never be seperated from God/ Jeus as Jesus walk with me.

This makes me feel angry.

Homosexuality is not a myth, it is a fact and a more widespread fact that any current statistic could presume to show - due to shame, due to secrecy, due to taboo. It is impossible to encourage homosexuality, to 'advertise' homosexuality so that people can 'choose' to 'buy into it.' Gay people are gay people are gay people. You can choose to stifle, ignore and accordingly confuse and shame them, or to nurture and accept them. I don't know what people think the former would ever achieve other than pain. And I wonder what Jesus would prefer.

Excellent video and excellent thoughts. John.

It helped me understand the speaker's point of view.

I agree in the sense that I think all those who consent to/ wish to have these teachings as part of their sex education should be allowed. It should not be 'one size fits all' but individuals ought to have freedom of belief respected within the education system. Staying 'pure' as a choice though needs to be positively supported and valued through the education system. That is the importance of the ABC approach, rather than just C alone (contraception).
I think one thing the homosexual community finds hard to accept is that sexuality is not 'fixed' and can change at different points in a person's life. There are straight people who get into homosexuality and also people living a homosexual lifestyle who go straight. This is not to belittle the real challenges facing a person who is confused or struggling with the ir sexuality, but recognition of the fact would help tremendously.
It is refreshing to see Christians being allowed to share their vierwpoints on sex and sexuality without a malicious lawsuit being fired in their direction. I think the millitant/ malicious element in terms of homosexual rights being allowed to domineer over Christians is actually wicked and needs to addressed. There is a key difference between hating people and not agreeing with them. I'm glad this Pastor has been permitted the liberty to disagree in a civil and appropriate way.
In the event of a spiritual awakening, the approach he advocates would be appropriate, without it, I'm not sure it would work so well.

I totally agree with Pastor Okusi's views on sex education. I believe in the bible's teachings of abstainance until marriage.It will save the world from unwanted pregnancies, abandoned babies, abortions, sexually transmitted diseases and broken lives. To teach young children about sex all be it safe sex, is to encourage experimentation. Let's leave the education to parents and the spiritual leaders please.

Ruti, I have been spending probably too much time over the last few days asking people to explain why they disapprove of homosexuality, why they think that the passages in the Bible against homosexuality is God's word and not, in the case of Leviticus, one law among many existing man-made laws that have been richly sprinkled with texts like 'and the Lord spoke to Moses', 'I am the Lord' etc to make them seem God's laws. Other laws in Leviticus like having one's beard trimmed, having a tattoo get no attention (supposedly because they are not about sexuality). Isn't it conceivable that other passages in the Bible have been written by homophobes, perhaps influenced by what was written in the Old Testament. No one, even the most prolific writer on this page has had a stab at defending their views. As a homosexual I am very eager to hear your thoughts, but I don't find 'it's God law end of story' a valid argument, unless you explain why you think it is God's law. So to you and others, the militant/malicious condemnation of gays by certain Christians (certainly not all) needs to be addressed. I posted a similar plea under Addie Cromtons's posting. I am trying to be constructive but will challenge people to be critical about what they believe. Your view on sex education is something I think I can live with.

David. I do have some faith in humanity. However for me However, I cannot have more more faith in humanity than God as this would mean believing in every scientific theory that comes along and for me this would mean moving away from both God Old Testament) and Jesus 9New Jesus ( New Testament.) This is no a path I wish to tread.
Peter the above response is partly why I am am reluctant to but into gbeing critical of my beliefs. I see this as potentiall the begining of a very slippery slope indeed, one which ultimtea ends in spritual death. These things said arcology medicine and to a certain extent genetic modification (in terms of disease resitant crops and tackling animal diseases TB etc etc. These techniques allongside irrigation and other technique can help relieve poverty, especially if the products are fairly traded the producers do not use forced or traffiked labour and the relevant crop seeds, crop and animaldisease treatments are made available at an affordable price to those in less weathy countries whether to farmers home production or governments.

I'm surprised at the views of Pastor Okusi. His view that homosexuality is "not normal" is very naive and totally wrong. I'm a gay man and for me my sexuality is completely normal; it's something I've always known, and I'm lucky to have grown up in a time where it's been allowed to be expressed when I choose. Teaching children that gay men and women aren't normal would be very damaging for a child who feels they're different in that respect and could lead to them having all sorts of social problems.

Children should be taught sex education factually and should learn to be tolerant of all people, regardless of their beliefs, creeds, colours, cultures and sexuality. In the words of the recent campaign, some people are gay, get over it.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

His view on Homosexuality is what causes many young people to be bullied, alienated and sometimes it even results in them commiting suicide! Believe it all you want but keep it out of schools! Why is it that Christians go on about Homosexuality being wrong because the Bible says so but they never pay attention to anything else in it, like unconditional love. Alienating young people who are gay does not sound very "loving" to me! I'm a teenager and if my school suddenly started saying "We are going to teach you the Christian way" then I would stand up and say "No" because I'm not religious and they cannot push any of their beliefs on me. We should be open to teaching young people about all the choices there are, not brainwashing them into believing that they are going to burn in Hell forever for being gay or having sex outside of marriage and make them live in fear. It's cruel.

Peter I do have faith in humanity but not to extent that am willing to believe every scientific theory man comes up ahead of what I believe is truth (i.e The Bible) / a I have some areas such as archeology medicine to a extent genetic engineering (especially in terms of disease resistant crops or perhaps making farm animals risitant to certain diseases TB BSE and other diseses found in other countries) science is very useful as along with irrigation technques and perhaps other techniques they can help ease poverty. especialy if the products those commodities which the crops produced are fairly traded and the producers do not engage in people traffiking or forced labour. Allso mor generally see being critical of my beliefs as potentially disasterous because it could lead to going in the wrong direction, away from Jesus, a direction in which I have no wish to. go. Incident, I didn't belive in evolution before I became a Christian.

Thank you Pastor Okusi It was excellent, We need Pastors in our Nation like yourself for this land has no fear of God and His standards and
it is all for the good of all mankind. For God is your worst enemy but He can be your best friend

This makes me feel very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

Couldn't have put it better. Your frankness and straight-forward approach is so refreshing.

Not being exposed to sexually transmitted diseases is not a valid reason for entering into a 'pure', life long marriage. Love is. Furthermore, what would be useful is to teach our children properly about contraception and safe sex, so if they choose to engage in it, then it will be done in a healthy way, rather than have it condemned and forbidden, which will just make them more curious.
As for teaching about homosexuality, this will not encourage more children to turn gay or lesbian, if anything it will teach tolerance, which is crucial in this day and age.

This makes me feel happy.

I am really pleased to see the truth without any dressing spoken. His words were said in love and not an attack on any group. Let's get back to the issue and that is- children should be encouraged to abstain and save themselves for marriage. This is not hate but simply our Christian believe and that should be respected also. The truth will set you free. Congratulations on your boldness to speak the truth Ps. Okusi

So heartbreakingly cruel. Sex is a joyous and wonderful experience, why should it be saved for 'marriage' ? Being taught about safe sex though, is vitally important and should be a priority in SRE. With regard to your comment about gay sex... with that sentiment you surely concur with the behaviour of the animals in Uganda who recently beat a gay man to death after his details and sexual orientation were published in the press? Horrifying. Homosexuality is widespread throughout the rest of the animal kingdom, why not see the reality of this beautiful harmonious world and let go of the sexually dysfunctional ideologies you follow that seem to breed so much hate.

Peter the resason I reject evolution is because for me it dia denial of the all-powerfulness of God and the fact He is all knowing and ever-present (even though we cannot see him) and as ssuch, it is He who is commander of what cahnges take place, where and how. The consuming of fruit from the tree of knowledge and the disobedience of Adam and Eve is what gave us our sinful nature of wanting to know more than we have right to know or in indeed need to know. That is where I stand on this matter.

To those that share the same opinions as the pastor regarding homosexuality. What would you do/say if one of your children or siblings told you they were gay?

This makes me feel encouraged. It reinforced what I already believed.

Great video and well done for expressing views in a clear, calm, rational manner.

This makes me feel angry and sad.

This sort of ignorance is the reason I went in to teaching in the first place. Not to 'promote' sexual promiscuity, nor tell students that they should dabble in homosexuality (!?) but to encourage them to use their reason and compassion to take a more open minded look at the world. These ignorant views are still being fed to young people today and bullying is still rife. Thankfully young people are becoming more and more tolerant, but people like this just astound me. A supposed 'man of God' spouting so much hatred?

To quote Desmond Tutu, "If God is, as they say, homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God"

This makes me feel angry.

I really dislike Clement's views.
He mentions the 'Christian country' that the UK/England is, yet, the UK is one of the most culturally diverse places you'll find. But, he says we should teach the 'traditional Christian model', we live in a society where a sizeable population are NOT Christian. Is he suggesting, we should teach Christian values to Muslim, Hindu, Pagan and Atheist children? This is absurd! You can't teach a specific religion's values to a multicultural society as the only option. To do this would be not only morally wrong, but forgetful of equality. If we teach teh Christian model in schools, we MUST also teach the Muslim, Hindu, etc. values also, or else it is very unfair.

Don't even get me started on his 2000 year old views on Homosexuality!

This makes me feel encouraged, happy and very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

What a great clip, Im glad to see that an opinion based on the word of God has been aired. Not diluted, sugar coated or changed to suit the times. why? because God doesnt change and neither does his word, upon which Pastor Okusi has based his opinions.

This makes me feel encouraged, happy and very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

What a great clip, Im glad to see that an opinion based on the word of God has been aired. Not diluted, sugar coated or changed to suit the times. why? because God doesnt change and neither does his word, upon which Pastor Okusi has based his opinions.

This makes me feel happy and very glad. It helped me understand the speaker's point of view.

This makes me feel angry. I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

I agree with many of the comments here. Pastor Clement is out of touch with the society in the UK. Sex education should teach young people the skills and knowledge to engage in safe sex if that is what they choose. And his comment regarding sexuality promoting sexuality is way off the mark. His comment on homosexuality is offensive. If we would agree with him that these small groups are statistically insignificant, then what about other groups such as Hindu's, Muslim's and Black Pastor's.

This makes me feel encouraged and very glad.

This is so true and to be honest i wish this clip was longer.may God bless you Pastor and continue to bless the nation with the truth.people will come and try to challenge you and speak things that are un-true and or disrespectful but you no what God is able and you are doing great work for God.all i can say really is keep up the good work and keep praising. (just for the record for some of the comments below -the Bible is very true and God used different people for different scriptures that is a blessing not an issue) God bless

It reinforced what I already believed.

Hi All, this video has produced a lot of views and comments between Christians, non christians and the like. I am a Christian and I agree with the Pastors views and comments. I beleive in the bible, so how would you understand the following scriprure?1 Corinthians 6:9 (New King James) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites. Whilst there is love and compassion for all of mankind (we are all sinners), can a christian condone this practise? have a great day.

Well done, Pastor

'No sex education/abstention before marriage' is just like communism. Excellent in theory, looks great on paper, but falls to bits when you introduce people!

People may not agree with all the things pastor has said, but we must all agree that as a Christian nation abstinence should be included in our children's sex education and taught as the best option for safe sex. The education system at present seems to focus on how to HAVE sex safely rather than the importance of marriage, commitment and the traditional family unit.
We need to stop teaching our children how to do the act and rather explain the result the effects this can have on the rest of the life forever. Let's give our children the opportunity to make the right choice!

What would the pastor and his supporters have homosexuals do? Should they marry someone of the opposite sex and live an unhappy lie or should they stay single and never know the joy of love or sex? Condemning them to either seems cruel and unchristian.

This makes me feel encouraged, glad and very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

this is the most clear and direct message i have heard on the matter, it makes sense to teach this because our bodies teach itself how to act, your virginity is the only gift you can give that no one else can! to be the receiver of that gift and to exchange it is something worth waiting for. The youth need this vision

This makes me feel humbled.

Although I respect his view I do not believe his solution would work at all. Apparently 70% of people in the UK are christian, but there are also plenty of athiests, agnostics, muslims, hindus, sikhs, buddhists ect. If they do not believe in God then no matter how much you tell them that abstinence is the right thing to do the likelyhood is that they will not listen. Furthermore, if they are of a different faith, do you think it's fair that they have to attend pointless classes which go against their beliefs. It would be like putting a buddhist into a nativity play! And why shouldn't we teach kids that homosexuality is abnormal? What harm can it do to accept people for who they are. Promoting homoexuality doesn't make hetrosexuals gay just like talking about hetrosexuality doesn't make homosexuals gay. There are just too many things that he has not considered.

This makes me feel encouraged. It reinforced what I already believed.

I totally agree with what the Pastor said. I think that if you teach young people NOT to do something being curious as we are myself at the age of 22; will always find a way to do just what we are told NOT to do. I totally agree that remaining pure is the key to a happy life personally. I wouldnt like to be having sex with someone because I feel something for him, because I never know what he might be carrying or even where the relationship will end. I think people go into relationships these days purely on thier emotions and not finding out what character the person have. So until I know and is SURE then i will keep on remaing pure until my wedding night, by the will of God. :)

Sex is for adults- adults being 18yrs and above. people who can mentally and economically bear the cosequences of having sex. Abstience isnt just for christains, its morality! teenagers shouldnt be having sex in the first place and should be taught to wait till they are adults. when you are an adult and actually wise in the head, you know what sex is about,not just satisfying the craving of your hormones.

PASTOR CLEMENTS methods were normal in this country till the sixties. but the problems he says we have now we still had them back then only they were swept under the carpet. on the outskirts of most towns there is a very large brick building which is either derelict or been turned into a old peoples home and when you drive by your grandparents say that used to be the childrens home with hundreds of kids running around. now when you get pregnant at 16 you keep the baby. back then the church took it away from you. we tried pastor clements methods for hundreds of years but it never worked. i dont want to go back to the days when the church steales babys and raises them in abusive un-loveing homes

This makes me feel very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

God in His infinite wisdom created man and woman to procreate; the operative words here are, man and woman. Society cannot and must not try change this salient truth. Man and man, or woman and woman on their own can never reproduce, Homosexuality is a sin, God is a holy God who abhors sin; however, He loves the sinner who when repented of the sin will be forgiven. Pre-marital sex or fornication is a sin before God, this is not a moot point to debate; therefore children should be told the truth regardless of what society thinks. Proverbs 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and depart from evil.

This makes me feel humbled and encouraged.

Everything good God gave us as a people, we have found some way to pervert. I have so much empathy for people who are confused/deceived over the issue of sexual behaviours - for a long time I was! our society is geared towards promiscuity, instant self-gratification, and this whole "if it feels good do it" attitude - and it's hugely damaging. This doesn't just go for people of homosexual orientation. But Pastor Okusi is right - homosexuality is not normal. Bell's curve logic shows any belief to the contrary to be a statistical falsehood.. a lie. and it's definitely wrong to teach this lie in schools! Humanity, especially the youth, is crying out for answers, crying out for meaning.. God has given us that but still we rebel. and it's not about religousness.. it's about having a relationship with your maker, and humbling yourself before an infinitely superior perspective. God's perspective. when you truly have that you don't need to oppress others or enforce your views... but you do feel a burden to share the love in honesty! The truth hurts sometimes. but doesn't make the truth any less true. God Bless Pastor Clement, for being a still, small voice of God's righteousness and wisdom fighting against the tide of human depravity - of which we all have contributed in some way or another. Seek The Truth People!

This makes me feel very glad.

Well done Pastor Clement, Britain has lost its Greatness. One of the things that made Britain, Great Britain was its Christian Heritage. When we took God out of our morals and society things have gone wrong. I have a friend who has taken his kids out of school and has started home schooling them because he felt sex education in his kids school went against his Christian beliefs. I think society has been brainwashed when it comes of Homosexuality, God destroyed a whole in fact 2 nations because the people chose to practice sodomy, he didn't destroy it because he had made a creative mistake. No one is born gay, it's a choice and gay society is try to force its morals onto us. Thank God for Christians like Pastor Clement who are not afriad to speak out. Well done Pastor - will come to your church anytime and anyday.

This makes me feel angry. It reinforced what I already believed.

I always knew that people will use the words from religion to incite hatred and bigotry, but to have it on national TV before 9pm is just outrageous! This man should get his head out of a 2000 year old book (and that's the latest bit!) and into some modern day scientific teachings! Or maybe he still believes the world is flat as well?

This makes me feel disappointed.

I think this video is a good example of what is wrong with current debate on sex education: sticking rigidly to old values and enforcing them on a changing society. Yes, it is true that Britain has atrocious levels of STDs, teenage pregnancies, abortions, etc., but these problems are not solved through a blanket policy of abstinence before marriage. In the US, statistics show that states with sex education focussing on abstinence have a higher rate of STDs, pregnancies, and oral sex among teenagers because they are more likely to engage in more risky sexual behaviour such as oral or anal sex. In my opinion, it would be better to focus sex education on healthy relationships. Good sex education should state that, yes, people do have sex before marriage, but wait to have sex with someone you love and respect- one night stands are harmful and abusive. Sex education currently is very much focussed on the mechanics: penis goes here, sperm goes there, baby comes out. Sex education should encompass sex within a healthy, loving relationship. Making impressionable young people feel guilty because of their urges only harms them further. Young people should be able to understand these developing urges and be able to explore them in a healthy relationship where they understand that sex isn't something everyone does- it's a deeply personal choice and one that shouldn't be taken lightly. Teenagers should learn about relationships and respecting your body, your mind, and your partners. And with regards to the UK being a Christian nation, it wouldn't be too off the mark to promote values such as love, respect and family, but religion stops being relevant the moment we stop adapting it to the changing attitude of today. Many people will often quote the passage referring to it is wrong for a man to have intercourse with another man as he would a woman, but in that same passage in the Bible it says not to deface your body with tattoos. In another part of the Bible I believe it says not to eat pork. It is obvious that the Bible is open to interpretation, but nitpicking small passages and adapting it to an ingrained sense of fear and bigotry does nothing but harm- as a society, we should accept that homosexuality exists, as much as we accept that all races are equal. What difference is there between discrimination against a sexuality and discrimination against a race or a gender?

This makes me feel very glad.

LOL- I'm happy that Pastor Clement was bold enough to declare the gospel on national television for everybody to hear !... Listen , to most of us, it may seem that what he is saying about sex before marriage is an outdated belief but if Jesus said it himself in the Bible, don't you think that we should still respect that , not matter how society has changed.? You cannot just get up and say "Oh, society has changed, so therefore lets ditch the Bible and its teachings" - NO ! You lot need to understand that the Bible was written for a reason which is for us as LIVING SOULS to follow. GOD gave us the Bible to give us a Vision, and "without vision the people perish " (Proverbs 29:18) . Stop making excuses for yourselves! God set these standards for a reason.

This makes me feel very glad. It reinforced what I already believed.

Glad to know someone is bold enough to strengthen my beliefs on National Press! Speak it from the roof tops Clement.

Sex has become trivialised and so meaningless. At bus stops children still young enough to remain tied to mummy's apron can be seen canoodling unrestrained. Children as young as 14 years old already have a chain of sexual partners. Attempts to teach the wrongness of indiscriminate sex meets with the look of - you are so antiquated.

Not surprising the message from the tv, radio, billboards, schools, etc seems to be imposing the "rightness" of promiscuity. Nearly every product seems to have a sexually alluring advert to it.

In the older bred, there is no difference. The adult unmarried is not spared the bulldozing of sexual, erotic, sensuous images. Amongst the married, multiple sexual partners is fast becoming the norm even amongst circles it was once uncommon in. Fidelity and faithfulness no longer exist in the dictionary - its old fashioned for modern day Britain! I have even been walked up to by both men and even women in public places (I am a woman), asking if I want sex!

It's sad to see society has become what it has.

This makes me feel happy.

This makes me feel angry. It reinforced what I already believed.

Sex education is so, so important in Schools. My Mum never discussed anything to do with sex or puberty when I was growing up and so I solely relied on the school providing the information. I do not in any way think that if they taught abstinence in schools it would have made any difference to my opinion back then, or now, or anybody else's. I also have a younger sister who is 15. She is very clued up; much more than I was at her age, and I think it is amazing. I think it is important to teach children from the age of 11 (secondary school age) about sex and contraception " you hear about young girls getting pregnant because they weren't aware that they could get pregnant or were too ignorant to care. I think if anything, they need to make sure they teach them everything and anything about sex, sexually transmitted diseases, pregnancy and the reality of what happens if they were to become pregnant. They also need to make sure that young girls realise what label is put on them when they have sex; people calling them sluts and slags behind their back " even if their friends are nice to their face. Abstinence solves nothing; information does. If anything, I think that there should be no "age restriction put on sexual activity, although there should be some form of law against sleeping with a minor (somebody over the age of 18, sleeping with somebody under 18). That way, there is no pressure on children to lose their virginity before they're 16.

This makes me feel encouraged, glad, happy and very glad.

This makes me feel angry.

If you want to prevent young teenagers from having sex, the best way to do this will not by removing sexual education from the classroom. I think if we did teach this man's Christian beliefs in schools then it would actually do more harm than good. Like it or not, the teenage population of Britain will engage in sexual activity before marriage, and it's vital that they be taught how to do this safely, or else we'd likely see a rise in teenage pregnancies and STIs before we see any drop in sex before marriage. The fact that abstinence will save them from the risks of sex is obvious enough, but it doesn't follow that we should teach against sex before marriage when it can still be performed safely as well as having numerous other benefits. I appreciate he thinks this is promoting sexual thought from a younger age, but I think it would be unfair to blame the concerning increase of sexual activity amongst young teenagers purely on this basis. He's using it as a reason to promote his ideology in schools when the justification of it merely his own Christian beliefs. Sex before marriage should be a choice, and it's not up to our schools to teach a multi-cultural society whether or not they should choose to participate in such acts. As for his comment on homosexuality, he misunderstands that the education of it as "normal" is not implying that it is isn't uncommon, but rather that it isn't something that needs to be treated like an illness, which it most certainly doesn't.

There is nothing wrong with promoting sexuality in schools. It is liberating. Young people will engage in sex outside of marraige, this is a fact. It is our job as a society to make sure that they know how to do it safely. The fact that this Pastor discussed homosexuality in schools in his video reveals his strong prejudices.

It is the repressive nature of religion that causes problems particularly in our multi cultural multi ethnic multi religious and mainly secular society.
Every sect, order, denomination and church claim to be the spokespersons on morality, yet Christianity as probably the most tyrannical, bloodthirsty, brutal, cruel and murderous institutions in the history of mankind and has no place in the education of children let alone on sexuality or morality.

People in general will not accept this type of thinking. After all sexual disease is big business. The United Nations estimates that more than sixty million people have been infected with aids. What do all these organisations who supposedly promote disease control and prevention actually do to stem the spread of STI and STD? It is much more profitable to treat disease than it would be to have an informed public given the knowledge and opportunity of choosing God given regulations that would offer the only way available to keep them clean and safe.

This makes me feel angry and angry.

What this guy is saying is out of order, not clever and boring. we are all different. some people wants to get married and some don't. some people make mistakes and they will learn from that. we need compassion towards each other.

This makes me feel angry and angry.

What a load of hypocritical rubbish Britain is not an inherently Christian country. Christianity is arguably the most unpleasant of any of the world's religions: petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freaks; throughout history demonstrated that they are vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleansers; misogynistic, homophobic, racist, genocidal, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bullies and riven with sexual predators. Christianity has absolutely nothing to offer humanity on morality or ethics. If you don't believe it, read the Bible.

It reinforced what I already believed.

This is simjply a man who is clearly led by God who is not ashamed of preaching the truth.. Gwarn Pastor:)

This makes me feel encouraged, happy, very glad, encouraged, happy and very glad.

This video is a great source of inspiration that goes against the tide of political correctness. Given that the 2001 census showed that 70% of britons identified themselves as Christians, this view should resonate with the majority (albeit silent). Well done Pastor.

Re: 'wisdom'. Actually, yes, Pastor Clement DOES imply that the kind of sexual education we have now should be removed from the classroom. He says "talking about contraception actually promotes sexuality amongst young people", and that this is what is to blame for the rise of teenage pregnancies, abortions and STIs. This is ridiculous. I personally don't have the exact solution, but this doesn't change the fact that preaching abstinence before marriage is not it, and removing discussion of the likes of contraception from our schools would almost certainly be detrimental to the health and well being of our society. Sex before marriage is something for the person, religious or not, to decide for themselves. I suspect the root of the problems will be found in much more fundamental cultural and socio-economic matters than the sexual education we provide in our schools. The intention for the kind of change he suggests is largely religious, and it is not our place to lecture religious values within the classroom of a multi-cultural society.

To further criticise Pastor Clement, the justification he provides for his argument is that "If you don't want to catch a sexually transmitted disease you need to stay pure and that "two virgins who marry and commit themselves in a lifelong monogamous relationship called 'marriage' cannot be exposed to sexually transmitted diseases. This is plain WRONG. If you don't want to catch a sexually transmitted disease when having sex, however frequently you have it, whether you are married or not, the best way to do so will be to practice it safely. It happens that much of the population does choose to engage in sex before marriage, and being told how to have it safely is vital life education. As for those that choose against it, they equally require this education; for one thing virgins can carry STIs too you know. If you didn't know well then maybe you would have benefitted from some proper sexual education at school rather than just being told not to have it until you were in a loving marriage. Pastor Clement's argument is naive and biased from a religious standpoint. His prejudice and ignorance towards homosexuality only serve to highlight this.

What's abnormal about homosexuality?

This makes me feel this made me feel angry and this made me feel angry. It reinforced what I already believed.

What you're saying about homosexuality is not only offensive, but it is also ignorant.
Excuse me for being slightly blunt, but at one time people were saying the same thing about people of colour like yourself. (I do not mean any insult by this comment, just stating a fact).
Homosexuality is not a myth. I'm here and I'm queer, to use a lovely cliche. I have rights to learn about MY sexual behavious just as much as any straight child.
I am not religious and I will not be sending my future adopted children to a religious school, because I don't want SCIENCE to be taught from a religious prespective. I wouldn't teach about God using biology, so I'd be happy if you don't do the same in regards to sexual education.

This makes me feel angry, disappointed, sad, angry, disappointed and sad. It reinforced what I already believed.

Indeed we are identified as a 'Christian country'; however this does not mean that every member of this country is Christian. What is taught in schools should not be dictated by ancient text that has almost no relevance to the modern world - the Zeitgeist has moved a long way since then, and ignoring this fact will not change it. Abstinence is not realistic - especially for the hormonal teenager - and forcing this outdated idea will only alienate the younger population from authority. Your view on homosexuality is deeply offensive and clearly wrong - homosexuality is far more common than you would like to believe. It is only seen as more common today because of our growing acceptance allowing people to show their true selves. Perhaps you should open your eyes to the present, instead of seeking outdated guidance from the ignorant and violent past.

I don't understand the speaker's point of view at all.

what a complete load oif rubbish that this so called pastor (born again christian) as come out with i have raised my son in a mixed inter faith marriage, and he has grown into a lovely, caring man who is know a father of he's own children, this so called pastor should not be allowed to breech, we live in a muli cultral soceity not in the dark ages

This makes me feel angry and angry.

Religion should play absolutely no part whatever in factual education. Religious freedom includes freedom from it and all of its effects. This guys assertions are unfounded, with absolutely no evidence. I'm tired of people making factual statements with no evidence, yet somehow we have to respect it when it comes to religion. Why can religious people be so hateful and get away with it. Homosexuality is natural and is found in over 500 species. If I said Black people are cursed (as the Mormons do) I'd be accused of racism. Religion should be private and stay completely out of all public life.

This makes me feel very glad and very glad.

It is a relief to hear a true church perspective on such an important issue as sex education. Abstinence is achievable when a person is given the right support and information from Christian men and women who are living that life.
People say teenagers are hormonal and are going to have sex anyway why not just teach them to have sex safely? They are right, to an extent. However what they have to remember is those teenagers learn about sexual promiscuity and homosexual behaviour from adults, whether it is in the media or everyday life. We need more strong mothers and fathers in the home, leaders in our communities and government who will not bow to popular opinion, but stand up for Christian family values.
Is homosexuality abnormal? Absolutely, nature agrees with me and more importantly so does the bible. If what Pastor Okusi has said, makes you angry then that is because deep down you agree with what he saying but cannot bring yourself to admit it.

God bless.

Oh dear Pastor Clement Okusi,you have offended more than just a few with your religious views and comments. After all the bible is considered to be "out of date" It is certainly out of sinc with the world we live in today. People love what they know and have. Selfishness will not permit them to see the light of truth. As for the bible being out-of-date Matthew 24 describes the conditions of the world today wars; food shortages; earthquakes; false prophets; an increase in lawlessness; hatred and persecution towards anyone rightly disposed by the teachings from scripture. The words of the Messiah as recorded in Luke 21:24-28 have been fulfilled. "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled". Also there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea, (tsunami's) while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth. All prophetic writings are for our knowledge in this day but even religious leaders don't want to know these things. When all is well and everything in the garden is rosy for the people ignoring the word of our Creator they will not want to know. But when our economy completely collapses and these people who want to ignore the bible's warnings choosing to live their lives in ignorance of God's instructions will come to know the reality of the Bible teachings by experiencing the outcome of a world alienated from their Creator.

Why this video is wrong:

Kids are going to have sex whether you teach contraception or not.

40% of the uk are athiests.

Teaching homosexuality is wrong will only premote homophobia and not discourage people from being gay as it's not a choice. It's just like saying being black is wrong.

Given the Prime Ministers recent comments that Britain is a Christian country, maybe the Pastors comments are 'spot on' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16231223

Must say, the Pastors comments seem to be more & more accepted. Recent article in national newspaper espoused some of the same ideas as the Pastor, interesting.

"Stay pure" - did anyone else laugh when he said that?

What a bigot - his views on homosexuality are appalling.

I absolutely agree with you Pastor Clement!
To those who believe that 'modern christianity' exist, they are seriously mistaken.
The term 'Christianity' means 'follower of Jesus Christ'. And the bible says quite clearly that 'Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever' (Heb 13:8).
This means that his teachings/commandments and principles do not change with time or location.
Respect to you pator Clement!

I understand how people feel about the views of the pastor, but all need to understand that those feelings derived from the life which we have been conditioned into. Rather then casting aspersions on such valuable comments, have one ever considered the rise of atrocities, sickness and diseases? Have one ever considered the insurmountable amount of children without fathers compared with those with their parents (mother & father)? Without the presence of Christians, God's intervention etc what are the values a human being naturally possess? I'll leave you with that thought...

You know what I think is wrong and immoral? People of faith raping and torturing children and the church actively covering it up for decades.

it seems that the Pastor and US actor Kirk Cameron share consistent views.